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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Trust me after 2 kids trashing baby stuff most of it is stuffed by the time #3 arrives no matter how quickly that is.
    Exactly lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    But back to topic lol - I hope I say this in the right way, but when you are in a sound financial position, it's easy to say don't worry about others. Again, we could cope. But it's more the principle for me. What this new plan effectively says is that a woman working with a man at home gets quite a lot of money. But a man working with a woman at home will get nothing.

    My DH is working plus studying to better himself. Why are his taxes less worthwhile than a woman paying less than half the tax he does just bc she's a woman? And really, that IS what it boils down to.

    Again, I support the PPL, I just don't support the BB being completely cut...
    But a man doesn't take time off to have a baby. A woman necessarily has to. So if she's the breadwinner and he isn't then ppl makes sense. But if he's the breadwinner and she isn't then there isn't a discontinuity of income? Isn't that what ppl is meant to support?

    I don't believe it should be cut entirely either though if it will truly be hard on low income earners.

    As for my comment about not worrying about others I wasn't meaning financial for me more other non- financial support we never get and other things like that. Years riding the IVF roller coaster taught me to only really ever worry about myself. But obvious inequities are hard to ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    But a man doesn't take time off to have a baby. A woman necessarily has to. So if she's the breadwinner and he isn't then ppl makes sense. But if he's the breadwinner and she isn't then there isn't a discontinuity of income? Isn't that what ppl is meant to support?

    I don't believe it should be cut entirely either though if it will truly be hard on low income earners.

    As for my comment about not worrying about others I wasn't meaning financial for me more other non- financial support we never get and other things like that. Years riding the IVF roller coaster taught me to only really ever worry about myself. But obvious inequities are hard to ignore.
    A man can be the SAHP though. Lots of women ff by choice. There is the option of EBM. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe a woman should be forced to do that or to stop bfing. But I think you understand what I'm saying. The woman being the SAHP is *generally* and especially beyond 12 months, a socially constructed concept. A working woman doesn't always have to go back to work. So I guess my point is that both genders can give up a career to care for a child is they choose to.

    Personally I believe if we are looking at economic rationalism considering we have such a deficit, that the cut off for PPL should be 2 full shifts a week, so 16 hours, not 4. 4 leaves too much room to still get full CL payments, plus the PPL.

    Anyhoo, I'm off to bed, it's been nice to discuss
    Last edited by delirium; 15-05-2013 at 00:31.

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    Just to clarify, to be entitled for ppl you need to work around 1 day per week ( we calculated it to be 8.25 hours with a bit of leeway), not 4 hours like a few pp's have stated.

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    If you are relying on the baby bonus to get through then to be quite honest you're not in a position to be having a baby as they cost a lot more than $5000. We're very lucky in this country and all people do is whinge and moan about what they don't have or what the government isn't giving them. Other countries are laughing at us because of it. At the end of the day we have shelter, food to eat, and we can feel safe. A lot of people in other countries can't say that . Also the money has to come from somewhere. I think it's time Australia made it's people stand on their own two feet.

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    I have to confess I had assumed that the existing PPL scheme was a sliding scale up to the minimum wage. So if a woman was working 10 hours a week the PPL would only replace that level of income.

    I didn't realise it was currently just a flat rate so anyone earning less than $600 a week was effectively getting a 'bonus' as part of their entitlement.

    That aside, PPL as a policy is designed to replace income already coming into a household. Income that is already a part of their budget. Income that will be lost if a woman wants to take time off to spend with their baby.

    The BB as a policy is a bonus. If a woman isn't working then there is no income to be replaced. It's exactly what it says - a bonus.

    Neither payment is about 'getting value' from the taxes you have or haven't paid.

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    I have a semi related question. If you have one child for whom you are receiving Ftb a and B then have another child who you will claim ppl, do you stop receiving Ftb altogether for the duration of the ppl? Or is it just the portion you would have received for the second child? Hope that made sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Sure, I get what you are saying, and as a side, I think the whole IVF thing stinks. I know what it's like to be infertile and quite honestly our next step is IVF and it's simply out of reach.

    But back to topic lol - I hope I say this in the right way, but when you are in a sound financial position, it's easy to say don't worry about others. Again, we could cope. But it's more the principle for me. What this new plan effectively says is that a woman working with a man at home gets quite a lot of money. But a man working with a woman at home will get nothing.

    My DH is working plus studying to better himself. Why are his taxes less worthwhile than a woman paying less than half the tax he does just bc she's a woman? And really, that IS what it boils down to.

    Again, I support the PPL, I just don't support the BB being completely cut...
    I was under the impression men can also get PPL. Mum can transfer PPL payment to Dad if they are going back to work before PPL finishes & Dad is to be the primary caregiver..

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    The PPL is to compensate parents for loss of income associated with time off for having a baby. It's not a reward for having paid at dollars.

    If you really want it, why not work the minimum hours required? If its only 4 hours a week as some say surely it wouldn't be too hard or disruptive? I do think to more like a day a week though.

    You can't really expect the Govt to give payouts to you because "my hubby pays X tax dollars" can you?? That would be nice! And isn't a popular sentiment on here that people who pay high tax should feel lucky that they are able to do so and not expect anything in return? (Not sure if you have ever said anything along those lines but I'm sure you've seen it. There is a current thread like that actually!).

    What about non-partnered SAHM's? They shouldn't get anything because they don't have a husband paying tax dollars?

    As an aside, your husband would be entitled to the PPL so he could always have time off and claim it if he chose. So it is available to your family. I'm aware that in most cases this isn't practical if the husband earns more than you. Or if the women earns no income at all. But that's not the Govt's choice is it.

    There is an income threshold for the PPL and women earning more than that don't get it.

    I find it pretty shocking how many SAHM's either resent the PPL because its more than the BB or continuously compare the two as though they are the same.

    They are not.

    The BB isn't even being scrapped!! Just reduced.

    I think it's much worse that the Medicare threshold has been increased, they are phasing out medical expenses tax offsets and higher education is getting increasing expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PorkyPies View Post
    I was under the impression men can also get PPL. Mum can transfer PPL payment to Dad if they are going back to work before PPL finishes & Dad is to be the primary caregiver..

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