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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I'm not saying give absolutely nothing to high income earners. But I don't support high income kick backs while basic support to low income families are cut.

    It's frustrating to see people here in the welfare threads say cut the BB! pay for your own kids and don't have more if you need the BB. Yet then say on triple the income that they 'need' the PHI rebate, or that the tax payer should give them 100k a year PPL to equal their wages to afford to stay at home. There's a lot of irony there.
    Who on here says that??

    I don't know anyone who is higher income and therefore affected by the PHI rebate decrease who thinks the BB should be decreased or cut. Not on here and not in real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    I think the vast majority of people getting the rebate are nowhere near 150k - I'm certainly nowhere near that.



    I didn't say the link was a problem, just that it wasn't actually saying the government spending was wasteful
    The study found that "the most needlessly wasteful spending occurred under John Howard's government." Sounds pretty conclusive to me.

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    The quote you've put in was from the SMH

    The article you linked to was a comment on the original article - this was the quote from that:
    For what it is worth, I mostly agree with the IMF’s conclusion. The Howard Government presided over the biggest private debt boom in Australia’s history and, in its later years, one of the biggest terms-of-trade booms. These two events meant that the Australian economy grew strongly and fostered strong growth in both employment and incomes. Importantly, it also flooded the Government with tens of billions of dollars worth of extra taxation revenue – via increased personal, company and capital gains taxes (as well as lower welfare spending) – which it spent on a range of questionable initiatives and middle class welfare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    Who on here says that??

    I don't know anyone who is higher income and therefore affected by the PHI rebate decrease who thinks the BB should be decreased or cut. Not on here and not in real life.
    There has been quite a lot of BB/school bonus/welfare threads in the last couple of years and yep, that's what is said I found it ironic that a while ago when they cut the BB $400 (before they cut it another 2k later) people were saying 'if $400 is going to make that much difference then you shouldn't even be having more kids'. Then a few weeks later complained at having the PHI rebate cut back and how they could no longer afford it lol

    So yes it's most certainly been said on here lots of times

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyla View Post
    I agree and I also think we all know how this generally pans out.. Labor inherits surplus, spends, loses election, leaves massive deficit. Unemployment is looking at hitting 6%. I normally stay out of these threads but I would be very surprised if Labor wins this one.
    Oh gosh couldn't agree more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    There has been quite a lot of BB/school bonus/welfare threads in the last couple of years and yep, that's what is said <img src="images/smilies/yes.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Yes" smilieid="42" class="inlineimg" I found it ironic that a while ago when they cut the BB $400 (before they cut it another 2k later) people were saying 'if $400 is going to make that much difference then you shouldn't even be having more kids'. Then a few weeks later complained at having the PHI rebate cut back and how they could no longer afford it lol

    So yes it's most certainly been said on here lots of times
    Yes but for what you've said to be true, it would have to be the same person in one thread saying cut the BB, and in another saying they can't now afford PHI.

    I have seen those threads and know that those views are held by many, but not the same people in both threads? So the same poster saying keep the PHI but cut the BB? That's what I am saying.

    I really hate the notion that high income earners are somehow inherently greedy, selfish people.

    Not singling you out here Delirium - I mean on the Hub generally.

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    No I don't think the rich are inherently greedy just that there is a lot of double standards that's all

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    It's only a double standard if said by the same person. I agree with Kw123, I don't think I've seen (except for maybe one or two members - which really is a small percentage) members say both statements

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    There are lots of members that have contributed to the welfare threads saying my tax dollars are paying for low income people, cut the BB. Then those same people complain they aren't getting help from the govt. So yes they are the same people.

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    F, what's the point in starting threads when by your history you have no regard for empirical evidence? It doesn't matter what information is presented to you, if it doesn't agree with your view of the world you either ignore or dismiss it. If I could be bothered to drag myself all over the internet to find quality data that challenges or negates anything you have presented it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference, so what is the point of starting the threads you start? What do you hope to achieve? Are you purely after a round of applause from like minded people?

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    I watched a documentary of SBS last night about Rupert Murdoch. Given Murdoch and his press does not support Gillard and supports Abbott then the election is pretty much a done deal. Gillard challenged the Murdoch press, Abbott used to be a feature writer for The Australian and is very much in favour with Murdoch. Murdoch has PMs elected, that is an absolute FACT.

    Oh, and F, if you believe the Murdoch press is objective you might want to check out around the 43rd minute of the documentary when the Chief Editor (I believe that was his title) of The Australian says words to the effect of "The Australian is unashamedly right wing".

    I'm firmly of the belief that the drop in popularity of the Gillard Government is largely due to the constant negative press that the Gillard government receives and the complete lack of challenge Abbot receives. Given Murdoch owns 70+% of the Australian Press Murdoch is lining up Abbott to be the next PM. Let's face it, we don't live in a democracy, we live in a Murdochracy.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/documentary/vi...02/Murdoch-Ep2

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