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    I think too another dimension is if we don't support our farmers then our primary industry will die, and we will need to import, which is not only costly but will we be buying meat which has died inhumanely anyway?

    I don't have the answers, but I see both sides here. On one hand the animal cruelty of our lifestock overseas turns my stomach. But I also see how much we need to keep our farmers going for several reasons....

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    I don't understand how primary industry would necessarily die? We would still buy beef so there would still be demand, just on a different scale. Yes that would mean the market didn't support the same number of cattle farmers, but why would the whole industry "die"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambjam View Post
    While I'm all for supporting our farmers, I don't think it's a good argument for live cattle export. There's only so far you can extend that logic. What if we knew the animals were being sent into torture? Or experimentation?

    Those who don't tolerate the notion can't make an exception just because it makes Australians money. The same logic was used with regard to slavery.

    If there's then less of a market for beef then I'm tempted to say so be it. That's life, markets change.
    I see some real benefits to reducing the amount of beef produced - less atmospheric emissions, cattle kept in better conditions (no feed lots), less land clearing and importantly because the market would not be flooded the product would have greater value and (in my tiny mind) higher prices on the cattle per head, going back to the farmer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambjam View Post
    I don't understand how primary industry would necessarily die? We would still buy beef so there would still be demand, just on a different scale. Yes that would mean the market didn't support the same number of cattle farmers, but why would the whole industry "die"?
    Producers will be forced to deal with a severe price drop in meat due to oversupply and lack of demand, making it a lose-lose situation either way. There will not be enough profit to keep them going.

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    There are whole industries of breeds of animals that Australians don't buy. There are whole stations up north who breed types of cattle which the Indonesian market buys, but Australians won't.

    Yep, the sky did fall in on a lot of farmers when the ban was placed last year.

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    I support farmers too, I am appalled that we are selling off our farming land to other countries, I think it is the WORST thing we could do.


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    I agree, but where are the solutions? Neighbours of ours can't feed their stock and they can't sell them. Rural Australia is in crisis and neither major party gives a crap. I'll still never vote for the libs though.

    ETA This debate is just too close to home for me, so I'll bow out. Please know that I don't support live ex but I do support farmers.

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    Back to topic for one second.

    Carbon emmissions have dropped by 14% since the carbon tax was introduced. Well look at that, it is actually working. Just like they said it would. Not all doom and gloom hey.

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    And the US has dropped 13% without a tax. They are now back at their 1994 levels.
    You can thank shale gas for that.

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    It didn't just happen by magic Father, they had to do something to make that happen. America has been doing some pretty amazing things with rewable energy - think LA and the solar panels. But that comes at a price - I am sure you would just find fault with that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    It didn't just happen by magic Father, they had to do something to make that happen. America has been doing some pretty amazing things with rewable energy...
    Why do you limit that comment of rewable energy (sic)?
    They have also been doing some amazing things with coal! Like burning coal whilst capturing 99% of the CO2.
    http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/looping203.htm

    But I guess the Green types wouldn't like that. Much too efficient. As opposed to windmills, which can actually result in increased emissions.


 

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