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    It won't happen because we are not a Socialist country.

    Lilynix - surely everyone is entitled to have a whinge if something upsets them or impacts them negatively? What your criteria for people who are "allowed" to whinge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    It won't happen because we are not a Socialist country.

    Lilynix - surely everyone is entitled to have a whinge if something upsets them or impacts them negatively? What your criteria for people who are "allowed" to whinge?
    There's no criteria? I said people were allowed to feel frustrated, just be careful who you whinge to. I detest seeing high income earners on this forum, whinging to low in come earners. That's all I'm saying. Be mindful of your audience

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillynix View Post
    Yes, I read the OP. I found it very interesting to see things broken down like that. Someone else mentioned how they'd like to see other areas added up and compared as well, as I agree. This does give good insight as to the differences between on paper income and reality.

    Whilst there was no one in particular in this thread complaining, it certainly happens the majority of the time. I guess my point was, even if on paper your income looks good, but in reality it doesn't really compare, based on other factors and expenses, it's still a privileged position to be in compared to many others.

    Having said that, being in that privileged position doesn't mean you haven't worked hard, or that inherited your income/careers and I don't think I implied either of those things.

    For the record, sure, be frustrated if you're paying more taxes, but you're still in a better financial position than many and it shouldn't give you the right to whinge to those less fortunate than you.

    Ultimately, taxes make the country go round. Someone has to be high taxes, if it so happen to be you, just be thankful that you're in a country that uses those taxes in ways to (mostly, but it's not perfect) benefit the country. Whether you benefit directly, or indirectly, you are still benefiting from paying taxes, and your higher taxes help even more. It's a much better option that having a government who taxes you highly, then does nothing with it other than line their own pockets to the detriment of the country.

    Perhaps my post was a little out of line in this thread, I'm just tired of hearing people whinge lately and i've had enough of people (no one here) having such an entitled stance.
    In regards to taxes, if you earn more you don't just pay more proportionately - you also pay a higher percentage so a disproportionate amount goes to tax compared to a lower income earner. Again, I'll accept that if it's used wisely, but if I'm already paying a higher percentage of tax why do I also have to lose out on things like PHI rebates and other assistance plans paid for out of tax dollars? Some things I do understand, I don't expect to get centrelink assistance payments or anything like that but I do expect that services like health and childcare etc are supported by the govt and that I should get to benefit from that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillynix View Post
    Yes, I read the OP. I found it very interesting to see things broken down like that. Someone else mentioned how they'd like to see other areas added up and compared as well, as I agree. This does give good insight as to the differences between on paper income and reality.

    Whilst there was no one in particular in this thread complaining, it certainly happens the majority of the time. I guess my point was, even if on paper your income looks good, but in reality it doesn't really compare, based on other factors and expenses, it's still a privileged position to be in compared to many others.

    Having said that, being in that privileged position doesn't mean you haven't worked hard, or that inherited your income/careers and I don't think I implied either of those things.

    For the record, sure, be frustrated if you're paying more taxes, but you're still in a better financial position than many and it shouldn't give you the right to whinge to those less fortunate than you.

    Ultimately, taxes make the country go round. Someone has to be high taxes, if it so happen to be you, just be thankful that you're in a country that uses those taxes in ways to (mostly, but it's not perfect) benefit the country. Whether you benefit directly, or indirectly, you are still benefiting from paying taxes, and your higher taxes help even more. It's a much better option that having a government who taxes you highly, then does nothing with it other than line their own pockets to the detriment of the country.

    Perhaps my post was a little out of line in this thread, I'm just tired of hearing people whinge lately and i've had enough of people (no one here) having such an entitled stance.
    I do actually understand the point to your post, although everyone has the right to vent. However IMO I think using the terminology of 'privileged' is not fair or right. 'Fortunate' maybe?

    I don't think high income earners should have to feel privileged for their position in life. The vast majority would have worked very hard to achieve this position, often making huge sacrifices along the way.

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    I get where you're coming from Lillynix; I don't respond well to it either and I agree there's a lot of it on BubHub. But something else I see here are people who demomise higher income earners, assume they have money to burn, and who go so far as to say they should pay even more tax and receive even fewer services. While I do believe it's a privilege to earn a high salary and pay high taxes, I also believe it's wrong (and counter-productive) to sap high earners dry.

    It's a recognised problem that there are income thresholds where the increase of taxation and the decrease of benefits and subsidies negate any incentive to earn more.
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    Quick question:
    The after tax income: were they meaning per household, or per person?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pesca77 View Post
    I do actually understand the point to your post, although everyone has the right to vent. However IMO I think using the terminology of 'privileged' is not fair or right. 'Fortunate' maybe?

    I don't think high income earners should have to feel privileged for their position in life. The vast majority would have worked very hard to achieve this position, often making huge sacrifices along the way.
    Being a high income earner usually affords a person special advantages, so I think privileged is an appropriate word. To me it doesn't imply a lack of work, sacrifice etc, it just acknowledges that one person can access certain things that others are excluded from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by really old View Post
    Quick question:
    The after tax income: were they meaning per household, or per person?
    Household.

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