For me, it is not "who cares what happens to the baby", but until that baby can survive outside the womb, then for me, the mother comes first, the mother must always come first.
I am actually glad that you have spoken about what happens. For a minute it made me question my beliefs, but I have come back around to believing that a woman should not ever be treated as an incubator, and that on the most part women who are choosing to have late term abortions are doing it because they feel they have to, most are not doing it because of gender. I don't believe they enter into it lightly and I am sure it cannot be easy.
I believe 100% that women should have access to safe abortions if needed.
Cinderella- please keep your overseas (predominantly USA based) information off this thread. I've quietly read along since the thread started. The details you are supplying are incredibly distressing and inflammatory. My biggest issue with this info though is that the abortions you describe do not happen in australia. Whilst we have access to late term abortion, they are not partial abortions killing the child (inless mefically inviable and it would cause the foetus too much pain)nor do they allow suffocation of a child through labour in late term abortions. After birth if no medical reasons intervene a child after 24 weeks is cared for and resussitsted and given a chance to live, unless they have a condition non compatible with life. If this medical reason is the case the child is treated with care, respect and pain relief if needed. Unless parents are too distressed- they are asked to hold the child until it passes.
I have stayed clear of this aspect of the debate, but since we are discussing it... what would have happened with the situation in the OP where there was no medical issues? Would the baby have been born then given to the mother? what if she didn't want to hold it? If no injection or measures are taken except induction, her baby would have been born alive? what would have happened? Genuine, non-loaded question btw...
If I'm reading correctly, partial-birth abortion was banned in the States in 2003 and in 2007 the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of this ban. There is a clause for extreme medical cases, if the mother's life is at risk. This constant argument like its common practice is a moot point.
Last edited by Kirst33; 02-05-2013 at 17:58.
So deny away babybabycakes, but it doesn't alter the facts.
I don't know that there are 'laws' which govern neonatal intervention? The guidelines for neonatologists are usually 24 weeks or 500gm but I thought they were best practice guidelines and decisions from hospital ethics boards rather than law?
Irrespective of intervention, births after 20 weeks are supposed to be registered and issued with a birth certificate, but they are not if they are the by-product of an abortion. So now the baby only 'exists' as a person if it was wanted by the parents?
It also doesn't really matter to me if there was only one proven to be after 26 weeks, that's one too many in my world.
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