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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinderella82 View Post
    I'm sorry, but I think you said before that your baby was not viable & that the termination was medically necessary? So your baby passed on its own? (Again, I'm sorry).
    If it were a healthy & viable late term baby then if the dr were just to induce labour, the baby would likely sùrvive labour as any other healthy baby would. So the baby has a lethal cardic injection or d & e or intact d & e (or partial birth) to ensure that it does not survive. It needs to have its life artificially terminated, otherwise it would be an unsuccessful abortion. I'm not talking rubbish, I think that some pro choices would rather not believe that these things actually do happen, an that is the choice that they are supporting.
    How many people have an abortion after 24 weeks? Or 20 weeks in other states of otherwise healthy babies? It would be less than 0.5%! You are making out like this is bigger than it actually is to push your agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinderella82 View Post
    I'm sorry, but I think you said before that your baby was not viable & that the termination was medically necessary? So your baby passed on its own? (Again, I'm sorry).
    If it were a healthy & viable late term baby then if the dr were just to induce labour, the baby would likely sùrvive labour as any other healthy baby would. So the baby has a lethal cardic injection or d & e or intact d & e (or partial birth) to ensure that it does not survive. It needs to have its life artificially terminated, otherwise it would be an unsuccessful abortion. I'm not talking rubbish, I think that some pro choices would rather not believe that these things actually do happen, an that is the choice that they are supporting.
    BigRed said her baby was born alive and I explained last night what happens in a late term medical termination.

    With what you're explaining, where does this happen? I don't know of any western country that allows such late terminations on healthy babies where the mother or baby's life is not at risk?

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    Just like the anti aborition lobbiyists in Ireland and their vile giant pictures that line the street. Makes me sick.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Why does that matter?

    Most women having an abortion find the decision difficult enough as it is. They know essentially what they're doing, do you purposely want to make it harder for them if they happen to be ignorant about the procedure.

    Most people after 12/14 weeks would have the procedure explained to them. I did. It was made very clear and I was able to ask a lot of questions about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marepoppin View Post
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    Unsubscribing doesn't stop it from appearing in your 'participated' section though (and in a popular thread it stays at the top) it just stops the emails. :-/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Sorry, but you are just talking rubbish.

    When I had my termination, baby was born alive. I was induced with tablets inserted into my cervix, that's it. None of this injection etc. that you speak of!
    I believe second trimester terminations that are done for non medical reasons such as social reasons where the pregnancy is not wanted at all, can be done differently particularly in third world countries, which are the horrific photos and descriptions that everyone is talking about.

    in 2011 in Melbourne there where a lady was pregnant with twins and one had a heart defect. She was advised to terminate that twin at 32 weeks, but the injection was given to the healthy baby. They then had to do a Caesar when it states the unhealthy's baby life was terminate via Caesarean section (I assume not resuscitated after birth).

    If you are having a termination at 20 or so weeks because the baby had congenital defects etc, then you're already in a horrible state of mind, the doctors and midwives are going to do everything possible to ensure your baby is born in the gentlest way, if that makes sense. It's more of an early induction of labour in your case.

    At 20-24 weeks the baby would not be resuscitated if you went in labour naturally then and the baby would most certainly not survive very long. Terminations after that gestation if there is no medical condition that would cause the baby to not survive ex-utero, they may need to use alternative options if the baby would survive for a considerably long time once born.
    Last edited by wannawannabe; 29-04-2013 at 21:54.

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    Procedures such as those mentioned by Cinderella are definitely the exception rather than the rule, late term abortions aren't common in Australia except for medical reasons, in which case the baby is induced and allowed to pass in his/her parents' arms. In the uncommon cases where the baby is healthy, unfortunately, the dr has to make sure they are not born alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    In Victoria, it's 24 weeks I think, well 20 at least!
    Victoria allows late term terminations up to 40 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    At the end of the day no matter how awful the vision is of how the procedures are preformed, A womans rights should never be taken away - even if she is pregant.

    You can go on about the procedure all you like, it doesn't convince me that a woman shouldn't have a right to choose what happens to her own body.
    Sorry I'm a bit behind and haven't read the last few pages. That being said I read this post and couldn't stop myself from replying.

    I find the notion that a womans rights should never be taken away to be absurd. Peoples rights are taken away all the time: society has deemed many things unacceptable and parliament has legislated accordingly. Women cant do whatever they want now. They cant walk down the the street nude, cant leave their baby in a car in 40 degree heat, cant pay a surrogate to carry a baby for them, can't ask someone to help them commit suicide...

    I don't think an act involving a woman's body should mean a free pass to do whatever. As with other things, if society deems something to be past the point of acceptable, then parliament should be able to legislate against it.

    I acknowledge however that despite my own personal views at the moment there isn't enough public support to ban abortion. I think I was disagreeing with the reasoning behind the argument if that makes sense.
    - no offense intended!

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