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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Well if that is correct (and I'm beginning to think it is) then no I guess I'm not pro choice. And I'm pretty ok about that.
    And by the definitions that I have read here, I'm suddenly not pro choice either. I feel very ok about that also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyMummy View Post
    It doesn't mean that you have to like it. It doesn't mean you have to agree with it. It just means that you acknowledge that your morals and ethics really should have no say in what another person does to their own body.
    And that's fine. But I realise now at this point in my life I'm not ok with that. Maybe because I'm pregnant (probably for that reason) but no I can't say I feel that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mokeybear View Post
    And by the definitions that I have read here, I'm suddenly not pro choice either. I feel very ok about that also.
    I realised this about myself too...I am also very ok with it

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    If you're going to be pro-life, then you're allowed to be pro-life for yourself, but you don't have the right to enforce a pro-life status for everyone. I think that's a key point here.

    Pro-lifers can fight and rally all they want for the rights of the unborn, but at the end of the day, they cannot and should not be able to have their beliefs forced upon those who do not share those beliefs. The same then goes for those who place conditions on their pro-choice (which really isn't a choice if you place conditions) stance, if you want to fight and rally that abortions should be illegal after 12/16/whatever weeks, then that's fine, but those moral codes that you set for yourself shouldn't then be applied to those who feel differently. You don't have to agree with or even like the choices of others, but ultimately, it is their choice to make, not yours.

    What is good for the goose, isn't always good for the gander.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillynix View Post
    If you're going to be pro-life, then you're allowed to be pro-life for yourself, but you don't have the right to enforce a pro-life status for everyone. I think that's a key point here.

    Pro-lifers can fight and rally all they want for the rights of the unborn, but at the end of the day, they cannot and should not be able to have their beliefs forced upon those who do not share those beliefs. The same then goes for those who place conditions on their pro-choice (which really isn't a choice if you place conditions) stance, if you want to fight and rally that abortions should be illegal after 12/16/whatever weeks, then that's fine, but those moral codes that you set for yourself shouldn't then be applied to those who feel differently. You don't have to agree with or even like the choices of others, but ultimately, it is their choice to make, not yours.

    What is good for the goose, isn't always good for the gander.
    But pro lifers already have taken the choice away because late term abortions with no medical reason is illegal in Aust?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janesmum123
    But pro lifers already have taken the choice away because late term abortions with no medical reason is illegal in Aust?
    Which is why I said that they cannot and should not be ABLE to, because yes, currently they do.

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    So does that mean if you're staunchly pro-choice that there is no time during a pregnancy where you feel a baby's life and right to life should be considered? Even if it is at a gestation that is viable outside the mother?

    I am understanding everyone's argument now and very unsure where I now stand. But curious about this part. Does it never reach a point where the baby has a right to life? (I'm not talking about if the mother's life is in danger).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    So no time limit? In that case yep I'm definitely not pro choice.
    I don't think I am either

    This is such a conflicting discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirst33 View Post
    So does that mean if you're staunchly pro-choice that there is no time during a pregnancy where you feel a baby's life and right to life should be considered? Even if it is at a gestation that is viable outside the mother?

    I am understanding everyone's argument now and very unsure where I now stand. But curious about this part. Does it never reach a point where the baby has a right to life? (I'm not talking about if the mother's life is in danger).
    No. There doesn't reach that point. I could terminate this pregnancy at 39 weeks if pro choice wasn't interfered with.

    Like I said, I've realised I'm not pro choice after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillynix View Post
    Which is why I said that they cannot and should not be ABLE to, because yes, currently they do.
    I think sometimes our laws need to take a moral ground. At some stage we have to make laws that the majority find "moral" or are comfortable with.
    In a country like Australia we value human life above all else and we protect it fiercely. Many people see late term pregnancies as a human life.
    In this country we pride ourselves on protecting children and babies so to some degree our laws need to reflect that.
    Of course when a human life beings to exist is up for discussion but that's where our government comes in, to some extent that is its job.


 

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