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    Hi betty, I had a 5dt on 21 Sep and my testing day was 2/10. I started getting AF type cramps on the weekend and got AF on my testing day. As I had to go to Westmead on my testing day they did a BT and it came up negative. I could be wrong, but it sounds like you might be out. My periods are always heavy and awful after a failed cycle and this time is no different. I don't take time off work after a failed cycle, but that's just because I'm afraid I'll need all my sick days and holidays for more cycles.

    I'm not sure how long you have to wait for a FET, but I've heard on some threads that clinics will let you start in the next month.

    I told my work, just because I don't like lying and get flustered, I'm also late sometimes after scans etc no matter how early I make the appointment!

    I think the main difference with Westmead compared to other clinics is it's not for profit, so it doesn't cost as much (I've heard some clinics you have over $5,000 out of pocket after medicare rebate), so we don't see our FS during the cycle, just the nurses and EPU and ET we get whichever FS is rostered on rather than your own. We didn't do any research on other clinics before Westmead. We went to the information evening, liked Rachel's picture and made an appointment with her. We liked her approach and went with it from there.

    Good luck to you.

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    Hi ladies,

    I have a question. If I've got AF now from a failed cycle and I will be due for AF again on 1 November, am I allowed to start another stim cycle then? Normally I do a long down reg so would be on the pill for three weeks then start stimming, but I can't fit that in before the clinic closes on 20 Dec, so I'm going to ask for an antagonist cycle this time. From memory they just say I have to wait for a natural AF to begin so that should be it right?

    Also, I've been reading up about melatonin and want to ask my GP for a script of it this weekend so I can start taking it now before the cycle. I know Rachel was VERY against DHEA, do you any of you know what she thinks about melatonin? If I start taking it and she doesn't want me to I might ruin my chances of being able to do another stim cycle this year, but I also want to take it for as long as possible before the cycle to try and increase my egg quality - gosh I'm aren't I?

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    Hi Chief, you don't need script for melatonin. It is just same as the other vit on the shelf. I am not sure if Rachel will against it or not, if you want to take you don't need tell her. However, you need take 2 months before your cycle for improving egg quality. Try COQ10 at the same time, for improving egg quality.

    I think you should be able to start your cycle in Nov. Good Luck.

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    Hi everyone, its been a bit quiet here lately...
    Sorry Chiefsgirl, I am too new to all this to be of any help with your queries. Have you had a chance to chat with Rachel about starting an antagonist cycle?

    Betty, I am new to this as well, but we did go to info sessions to quite a few fertility clinics including Genea. In the end, we chose WFC because of the costs, but also because from the info sessions, it did not sound like what WFC is doing is any less than what others offered. Genea however felt like a resort to me, with a lot of on-site facilities, including acupuncture and nutritionist, and 24x7 support. Not something we could afford or thought we required.

    I was MIA for a while, as we had a health scare with our FIL that was keeping us feeling down. He is doing slightly better now, so felt like participating again.

    We had our first appointment with Dr Fong last Friday, and she was indeed very nice. We had a few BTs to be done. I have never had so much blood drawn out from me for BTs! We are quite keen to start on the IVF part soon, and luckily our FS was supportive. However, we did not realise that there is almost a month's wait for the first nurse's appointment, which we need before we can start... Since I am expecting my AF anytime today or tomorrow, and we need to go with the Long Down cycle, we may not make it this year if we don't get to meet the nurse on time. I am expecting a call this afternoon for the appointment, the wait is not too long.

    How is everyone else doing?

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    Thanks little dragon, from what I have heard the melatonin you get at the chemist isn't great, you need the stuff you get a script for for it to actually make a difference. I've been taking coq10 for the last 4 months so will see how that goes. My gp didn't want to give me the script as he was scared about what Rachel would say. My appt is next week, so I'll see what she says.

    mumnetqn, yes, I got stumped on that one too! Rachelmtold me to wait for my period before calling to book in for the first time- big mistake! As you know, you have to meet with the nurses before day 1 of your period. You could ask them if you could just start the pill if its not going to be too long before you get in to see them? On a long down you take the pill for 3 weeks before you start jabbing. so if you get af this week, start the pill and see them in the bnext cpl of weeks you might be ok?

    I'm due for AF on 1 nov and wouldn't be able to fit a long down in this year as they close the clinic over Xmas.

    On the plus side, if they say no to starting the pill and the cycle before you see them, you'll get af middle of next month, when you call in with that, they'll say they can't fit you in this year but they'll pre-book you for the first cycle next year. Which means you def have a spot in early-mid jan.

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    Thanks for that Chiefsgirl. We have an appointment with the FN on the 29th. If I start AF this afternoon (I already have signs), that day will be CD19 for me, so should be fine. While I was typing this, I just got a call from the FN, and said its OK to start this cycle if I am just going to start AF today, and told me to just ring when the AF arrives. So a bit excited now thinking we will start something soon!

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    Thank you all ladies to your response. And yes, it a failed cycle for us & DH could not believe it as he thought everything was going fine. I did find that cramps are more painful after the failed cycle.
    I did not tell work about IVF on that cycle, just told them a few weeks before hand that I have "health issues" to sort out & will be taking days off on such days. I provided them also the medical certificate they give during ET. But may need to tell them eventually.
    hwaterhouse - I too had laparoscopy ops for endo in Sept last year. It was done by a different FS who is associated with Genea. My out of pocket there is more than my IVF cycle with WFC. Also because all the scans are done by the FS himself, we have had to pay him this service each time. It would have been more convenient for us as we don't live so far away from Genea but am happy we found WFC esp that we don't know how many cycles we will need to go through.
    Was requested by the FN to wait for one normal cycle before starting the frozen transfer.
    Before the egg retrieval, I also did acupuncture a couple of times. I heard this is good in improving egg quality? There is a study going on in WFC with acupuncture. Did anyone try that? Anyone has any experience with Coq10 & whether it helps? Is there any vitamins that would help in preparation with a frozen transfer?
    Thank you ladies, will be thinking of all of you.

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    I'm so sorry Bettyboo, it's never easy when a cycle fails

    I'm going to be participating in the acupuncture study this time, I wasn't allowed to last time (as I participated in a growth hormone study and couldn't do both). I think the acupuncture works more on relaxing your body and helping it receive the embryo rather than on egg quality, but I could be wrong, I don't really know too much about it! In the study you have one session after you have started stimming, then one before and after transfer (on the same day at the WFC where you have the transfer). I think the first session is done across the road at the Uni.

    After my first cycle I added the following to the blackmores pregnancy gold that I had been taking:
    • CoQ10
    • Fish Oil
    • Magnesium (I use an oil that is absorbed through your skin)
    • Vitamin D
    • Vitamin B
    • Epsom Salts (you're supposed to bathe in it, but we don't have a bath so I use foot baths)
    • Goji juice
    • TTC tea
    • Hubby takes folic acid for 1 month before epu
    • Hubby takes goji juice
    • Hubby drinks virilitea tea
    • Hubby abstains from alcohol during my cycle (until EPU, then he can drink, he doesn't drink much anyway so it's not really a problem)
    I've also been taking some naturopath herbal tonics to help with egg quality, thyroid and my digestion. I have told my FS about those though!

    I'm asking my FS this time if I can take melatonin as I've heard this can help egg quality.

    My dietician has said you need to eat lots of leafy green vegetables (broccoli and spinach/kale are excellent) as well as sweet potato and fresh fruit. Lots of fish and lean meats, not too much fat, but don't cut carbs out completely. keeping up fibre during a cycle helps too!

    Not sure if any of the above help as I've had 3 cycles and all have been BFN, but my issue is my age, low AMH and hence egg quality. I did only get 2 eggs the first time, but have since got 4 and then 6 so something is working!


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    Sorry to hear you are out for this cycle Betty. We were so fortunate to find WFC. We had seen a specialist in 2007 who tried various things and couldn't find any major issues. I had endo removed back then but still no luck. Was told next step was IVF. We had known people to spend $10000 on IVF cycles (should've done more research) so opted to foster instead. We did that for 12 months which was interesting but we knew it could never replace a family because of all the red tape. We didn't pay a cent for the endo op in March and including our referring specialist fees we are only out of pocket just under $2000. We should've done this years ago! Oh well, it was a journey I needed to take to get to where I am today. We had decided to do a number of cycles with WFC and only go to a more exy clinic if we needed special treatment. I didn't do acupuncture but would've tried it eventually. Wishing you all the best for your next cycle...

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    Good luck to those mid-cycle, planning or in the TWW. I hope there is a whole bunch more spread around before the new year .

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