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    The only tinned fruit/veg I buy is beetroot when we're making hamburgers and pineapple for pizzas, otherwise we only buy/eat fresh (other than frozen peas!). I only buy Australian seafood, and prefer Australian meat (except bacon because the only free range Aussie stuff I've come across is packaged which creeps me out) and dairy. When it comes to fresh fruit and veg I don't really mind where it comes from as long as it is fresh. For my clothes and shoes, I order through an Australian company but they're all made overseas, as I haven't really come across any good Australian brands which make the kind of clothes I want to wear, and American/UK kids products are much cuter than anything I've seen in Australian shops. That said, I buy most of my son's clothes from small businesses which are handmade in Aus anyway.

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    I try to buy Aussie made when I can for food but price does come into my buying.
    I try to buy fruit and veggies from the local shop.


    Single mum to DS (5y.o)

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Yeah, SPC is a hard case, of course coca cola should step up. But they probably won't, and then all those regional Vic people will lose jobs. That is sad. And that is what happens with multinationals - it is all about the bottom line.

    I totally disagreed with what the Govt did regarding Holden, all car manufacturing countries have help from the government, and the amount Holden was asking was waaayyyy less than say Germany or the US. That is the price you have to pay to keep manufacturing alive when you are trying to compete against countries that have slave labour and no min wages. Not to mention that Holden brought 4 billion into the economy every year.

    I would be wanting to know exactly what the impact of not helping SPC our would be, the flow on, and how many other jobs will be lost - and if towns will go under etc. Maybe it isn't the right thing to ask for govt handouts - but what is the alternative? An Australia with no manufacturing at all? Even though we are really good at it? Even though heaps of people rely on it?
    Not arguing with you, but where do you draw the line?

    I work for a large company that might need help sooner rather than later. I love my job but honestly I don't know that it's the governments job to bail us out.

    Bonds moved offshore years ago, my BIL worked for an automative parts company that moved offshore, my dad for a company that relocated to China.

    The damage was done years ago wasn't it? Why didn't the Keating and Howard governments both do stuff ages ago to stop accepting such cheap foreign imports?

    As for clothing... Well I love my trendy brands. But buying from Australian made/Australian owned brands such as c*e is not right either. I know someone who works in head office and says they have a 300% retail markup on clothing... Why??? That's just pure and simple a rip off for the consumer.. And I'm not paying that Aussie or not.

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    This article from the herald sun talks about the impacts a bit @beebs

    http://m.heraldsun.com.au/business/f...-1226815348287

    Local mp has said that it would cost less for fed gov to help out than it would to have all employees on benefits. She is a lib, and disagrees with her own parties decision- however- it's just about the safest lib seat in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomsie View Post
    The thing that makes me mad about SPC is that it is now owned by coca cola. In the last 6 months they have made something like a 250 million dollar profit.

    Now they were asking state and fed gov each for $25 mil to upgrade the factory. If their profit margin is so huge, surely they can dip into their own pockets?

    Of course I do get angry thinking about our gov refusing to help manufactures in this country any more... But really, when your daddy is a millionaire it's a bit "rich" to ask for handouts, right?
    I did not know that they are owned by CCA.

    ok - I completely understand why the govt said not then.

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    Why would CCA pour money into its SPC operations in Australia when it can go offshore and make more product with greater margins for less outlay then import those products back into Australia FOR FREE and sell them for more margin? Exactly the same as the GM/Holden saga. The government are ruining this country with one sided free trade deals with countries that can provide a much cheaper product.
    Manufacturing and processing in Australia's labour and taxes (or lack thereof when it comes to imports) is too expensive to compete with the rest of the world, our government needs to provide incentives to companies to keep manufacturing and industry in this country alive. CCA won't keep tiny little SPC operations open to feather the workers pockets and keep jobs going out of the goodness if their hearts, they are in business to make money.
    Makes me so angry. It's not just the workers of Holden and SPC that lose their livelihoods, it's the flow on effect of suppliers/service providers and their suppliers and their suppliers and on it goes. We own one of the main parts suppliers to Holden so maybe I have invested interest, but I have watched what happenned in the UK when they lost industry and it was sad and scary times, not only was the industry and skills lost but other sectors suffered because half the country was out of work and had no money to spend to keep the economy turning. The UK government has had to spend billions more to recreate the industry than it would have to support and save it.
    I could rant on all day, but I'll stop!

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    No rant away, I think we're all mad about what the govt is doing..


    You know.. it only takes one person to start a coup...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomsie View Post
    No rant away, I think we're all mad about what the govt is doing..


    You know.. it only takes one person to start a coup...
    I don't think everyone is mad. So what if they bail out the companies giving them Millions and millions of dollars.... Where will all this money come from... Schools, hospitals, tax rises, pensions, family tax benefits etc....

    What they have just done has set a precedent that the govt won't just fork out millions if ur company asks for it... Same with Holden, they had knowledge Holden had decided to leave before they were asking for the more money, that's y they said no because they were thinking that they were going to take all the extra money then stay for a yr or 2 then threaten to leave again and ask for more money... The country can't financial survive that...

    If u want to save these businesses start buying their products even if there is a cheaper alternative. Yes they should stop the imports or make them more expensive to import so then the companies choose to stick to Aussie brands but everyone keeps saying the govt should just throw money at the problem

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    The economy will lose up to 4 billion dollars, and 65,000 jobs with the loss of Holden. What they were asking is nothing in the scheme of things, not for what they bring back into the economy. Fact is every country that has a car manufacturing sector gets government help, you pay a little in to get a heck of a lot back. As I mentioned before both the US and Germany pay their manufacturing sectors far more than what Holden was asking for, because they realise that sometimes you have to spend money to make money. Of course the country can financially survive doing that. I can't see how the country will financially survive with the amount of jobs about to be lost and the amount of money that will not be coming into the economy anymore.
    I have a Holden, I won't buy another when they go offshore though.


    Quote Originally Posted by grooviechic35 View Post
    I don't think everyone is mad. So what if they bail out the companies giving them Millions and millions of dollars.... Where will all this money come from... Schools, hospitals, tax rises, pensions, family tax benefits etc....

    What they have just done has set a precedent that the govt won't just fork out millions if ur company asks for it... Same with Holden, they had knowledge Holden had decided to leave before they were asking for the more money, that's y they said no because they were thinking that they were going to take all the extra money then stay for a yr or 2 then threaten to leave again and ask for more money... The country can't financial survive that...

    If u want to save these businesses start buying their products even if there is a cheaper alternative. Yes they should stop the imports or make them more expensive to import so then the companies choose to stick to Aussie brands but everyone keeps saying the govt should just throw money at the problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ponytail View Post
    but I have watched what happenned in the UK when they lost industry and it was sad and scary times, not only was the industry and skills lost but other sectors suffered because half the country was out of work and had no money to spend to keep the economy turning. The UK government has had to spend billions more to recreate the industry than it would have to support and save it.
    I could rant on all day, but I'll stop!
    I think everyone should read a bit about what happens to countries when they lose their industry. Do people honestly think that all those jobs, skills and money is lost and we all just continue on as usual? Really?


 

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