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    Quote Originally Posted by bugsy View Post
    Yes, that is what I meant . Although I believe if a snake is a "threat to you or your family" there is leeway to be able to kill it.
    I "relocated" the said snake because it was in my lounge and I could not get my 18month old DD out of her high chair until it was "relocated".
    I relocate them too. Rotten creatures they are when the invade our house. DD once went to move her monitor and a little head pop around the screen. He was a harmless one but we get a lot of king browns here. so not worth taking the risk with a toddler.

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    If people weren't willing to pay for ivory, then nobody would be killing animals to make profit. It doesn't matter if it's an antique or not - you're showing the poachers that ivory is valuable, and that's just something I could never ever agree with or support.

    It's one of the most sickening things a person could own, because there are PLENTY of alternatives that look similar but haven't contributed to the near extinction of animals.

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    I definitely feel more comfortable with both meat consumption and leather if I think that the whole animal is being used. As I read that link to the government paper on the leather industry, because of low cost imports, and possibly our over consumption of meat, there is a lot of hide that can't be used because of the high cost of leather production. This is sad to me.

    Snakeskin to me seems like a more *luxury* item on account of them being a smaller animal. A cow hide makes far more shoes than a snake. If snakes are to be used for their skins, I would hope that the snake had been used for its venom, but even then it still seems terribly unnecessary. Likewise, I would hope that croc leather would be a by product of the crocodile meat industry. As with all animal manufacture, I would like to see that farmed animals, cows, crocs, sheep, chickens, fish etc can have something that approximates a quality life whilst they are alive, and a good death too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WineTime View Post
    Ive seen a lot of snakes, and I've "relocated" a lot of snakes. But I have to admit that I've yet to see one that can jump up into a high chair.
    I read that as her little one was safe, contained and elevated away from the snake in the high chair, but she obviously couldn't leave her there all day so she had to move the snake one.....which would have been my preference over killing it, but I haven't been in that situation to know how I would react.

    Back to topic - I would be really interested to know the environmental impact of one pair of leather shoes compared to one pair of vinyl/synthetic shoes. I know that mass production of beef cattle causes huge problems with emissions etc, and tanning would also use a lot of chemicals/power/water etc, but synthetics are derived from petrochemicals and I can only assume that production of these materials would have an enormous footprint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anewme View Post
    By killed you meant caught and released on a country farm somewhere at the back of beyond since it illegal to kill a snake.
    I dont have the exact law and exemptions, but my understanding is that all native snakes are protected species but there is an exemption that allow them to be killed for self defence. IE it if it COULD POSSIBLY endanger you or family. So if some idiot thinks a tree snake is a danger to them and kills it they cant be prosecuted. However i havnt actually read the laws my self just what i have been told. It would be interesting to see what the actual law says word for word.

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    I luckily enough havnt encountered a snake up close and perosnal but DH has several times whilst working especially when he was working out warrick and kingaroy ways. Snake met shovel and shovel relocated parts of the said snake as DH liked to say

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    Quote Originally Posted by dancingchipmunk View Post



    Can I ask how you 'relocated' the snake?
    With that time honoured instrument of snake "relocation": a shovel.

    If I thought I could safely move the snake without risking serious injury, I would have. Unfortunately snake wrangling is not one of my many varied skills. I live remotely, there is no local snake handler to call on. But it was in my house, and leaving it there was not an option. It was a black snake, so not the nastiest kind, but a bite to a child or pet could prove fatal.

    I don't kill snakes for fun, when I see them in the paddock I give them room to move on, when I come across them on the road I swerve around them.

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    Bugsy, if you see them that often, you have just confirmed I'll never apply for 'Farmer Wants A Wife'.

    I'd like to hope I had the courage to kill one if it was in my home, not run away screaming like a little girl. Good for you.

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    I found this article talking about the impact of leather vs synthetic. Whilst it didn't give a solid answer either way, but I did like the point about *junk food*/*twinkie* fashions. Just another reason to aspire to a classic look. Slightly off topic, but anyway...

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    Ignorance is bliss....

    Unless you are the tortured animal being used for human consumption...

    Torture, pain and suffering is real and happens whether you choose to see it or not.

    So sad


 

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