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    This is a great article explaining models and why they are 'wrong' (because they are models, not reality!).

    But it also states, as I believe we have previously in this thread that the damage we have done to the Earth is often more than what the models have predicted.

    http://ossfoundation.us/projects/env...s-can-be-wrong
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    I'm not sure- but I guess if you go back and delete all of your posts in the thread, then the thread wouldn't recognise you've participated. You can certainly try that. (I think that's what gets done if someone suffers a loss).

    However, as I've said before, even if the thread pops up at the top of your participated threads, you don't have to click on it to open it.

    I find the easiest way to ignore the contents of a thread is not to open it.

    As for why Father isn't asking these questions on a science forum? Who knows maybe he has asked the same questions on a science forum. I haven't ever ventured onto a science forum to find out if the populations on them look too much into why the models haven't been adjusted to account for unpredicted changes.

    It raises a valid question though - and later, I may venture onto a science forum to see if the responses are much different. Somehow I think the responses may be quite similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    I haven't ever ventured onto a science forum to find out if the populations on them look too much into why the models haven't been adjusted to account for unpredicted changes.

    It raises a valid question though - and later, I may venture onto a science forum to see if the responses are much different. Somehow I think the responses may be quite similar.
    But they have been adjusted! They are constantly updated. The modellers don't just sit around doing nothing once they have made their models - they keep working on them like any other scientist keeps working on their research.

    You need to look at the scientific literature if you are interested in the details of how they are updated. There is no point asking people who don't work in the field for the modelling details, but the information is out there in the scientific literature if people are interested in looking for it. If you don't think the models are updated then you are not making any effort to find out the facts for yourself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    I'm not sure- but I guess if you go back and delete all of your posts in the thread, then the thread wouldn't recognise you've participated. You can certainly try that. (I think that's what gets done if someone suffers a loss).
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    Just tried that on a thread I knew I only had one comment in, still there.

    You're obviously better at ignoring than me, I'm more an out of sight out of mind person.

    Shall we try again ladies?

    As for the models, the link I listed above explains it all really well.

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    Scientists have studied the rates of basal melt, or the melting of the ice shelves from underneath, of individual ice shelves, the floating extensions of glaciers that empty into the sea. But this is the first comprehensive survey of all Antarctic ice shelves. The study found basal melt accounted for 55 percent of all Antarctic ice shelf mass loss from 2003 to 2008, an amount much higher than previously thought.
    http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fea...h20130613.html

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    Atrops?? You read my mind I didn't see that pic until I posted.

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    Mutual friends? I got that pic from a friend in the US today. What are the chances??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    Atrops?? You read my mind I didn't see that pic until I posted.
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