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    It's perplexing how you seem to have no understanding as to why your qualifications matter in a debate where you are so adamant you are right. Lets give an example of a hypothetical situation to try to help you understand.

    From what I know, you are pro-circ, right?

    Now, I have no strong opinion on this matter at all so this is a completely hypothetical situation. I feel vax/anti-vac would be a better example but I am not sure where you stand on that.

    But let's say you and I are debating circ with the same rigor we are debating climate change.

    You are arguing pro-circ and providing all your 'evidence' as to why it is right and I am arguing anti and constantly telling you that your reasons are wrong, have no validity or scientific backing and insisting that I am right, telling you that the drs and science you feel are right are completely wrong and uneducated, only my opinion is educated. Would you not be curious or feel for the sake of the argument it's important to know why I feel so qualified to draw the conclusions that you and several prominant drs are wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirst33 View Post
    Would you not be curious or feel for the sake of the argument it's important to know why I feel so qualified to draw the conclusions that you and several prominant drs are wrong?
    No. The facts should speak for themselves.
    If you don't think the facts that I discuss are correct, refute them.

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    The NASA article was from 2010, perhaps that's why it doesn't include the last decade and a half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirst33 View Post
    The NASA article was from 2010, perhaps that's why it doesn't include the last decade and a half.
    If you look at the graph on their website, the temperatures stop in 2000. If you look at the year 2010 reference the models, it shows a continual increase in expected temperature, despite there being no statistically significant warming for at least 12 years.

    For them to post that in 2010 whilst ignoring the previous 10 years of data (including 10 year old predictions which are already wrong), in my opinion, is not them 'doing their best'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    No. The facts should speak for themselves.
    If you don't think the facts that I discuss are correct, refute them.
    Isn't that what I've been doing?

    The difference is is I understand I am not qualified to draw any conclusions. Because I am not qualified I turn to people that are. I don't believe in conspiracy theories. I don't believe a majority of the worlds scientists are trying to mislead us for whatever reason.

    You, I think it's safe to assume, are also not qualified. But, for some reason you feel your interpretations are the only ones that are right.

    Why don't you pursue this topic on a science forum? Or are you frightened to actually have the argument with those that may be qualified?
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    I see no graph that stopped in 2000...

    ETA: in fact throughout the entire article (click on tabs to the right) there are graphs that go past 2000.
    Last edited by Kirst33; 29-05-2013 at 07:54.

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    More about me.

    Do you think that NASA has 'done their best' with 10 (now 13) year old temp data and non-updated predictions?
    I am asking for your opinion, you don't need qualifications for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirst33 View Post
    I see no graph that stopped in 2000...
    I assumed you were talking about your NASA link?
    The black line (observed temperature) stops in 2000.

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    That is from the IPCC 2007 study, but included on the article's page. I take it as an example to help explain what the whole article is saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirst33 View Post
    That is from the IPCC 2007 study, but included on the article's page. I take it as an example to help explain what the whole article is saying.
    Roger. I think the point is still valid regarding the lack of updating of the models. The updated data was available to them.
    I look forward to the next IPCC report to see what they have done with their predictions.


 

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