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    To shoot goats, or not to shoot goats???
    Should we feed them, or should we kill them?

    http://communities.washingtontimes.c...limate-change/

    Maybe do neither and save some money while we are at it?

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    Time for a quiz from the UK.

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    I prefer to list my sources for transparency and validate their credibility.
    This graph is from NASA.

    evidence_CO2.jpg

    This is the page that lists the causes of Climate Change. The opening paragraph:

    Most climate scientists agree the main cause of the current global warming trend is human expansion of the "greenhouse effect"1 -- warming that results when the atmosphere traps heat radiating from Earth toward space.
    Another interesting graph from NASA from this page.

    Temp_anomaly.jpg

    Until you've put a few people on the moon, sent a few rockets and space shuttles into space and invented a really long list of impressive technology I'll be sticking with NASA to provide me with information on what's going on in regard to the Earth's climate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    To shoot goats, or not to shoot goats???
    Should we feed them, or should we kill them?

    http://communities.washingtontimes.c...limate-change/

    Maybe do neither and save some money while we are at it?
    Shoot them. I'm against animal cruelty, but if you see the damage they are doing to the Gasgoyne area in the mid-west, you'd be horrified. There are thousands of them, and doing irreparable damage to the environment, especially the animals who have always called that area home.

    Feed them grass at the airport, sure, but these aren't the feral goats being referred to in the article.

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    Thanks for the graphs Bec. It's good to see you actually looking at graphs and numbers.

    What do you notice when you see those two graphs next to each other? CO2 increasing with the temperature not changing for the last decade and a half?

    On a side note, this is amazing.
    http://www.dominosugar.com/carbonfree/

    Carbon free sugar. And, it's certified!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Bec~ View Post
    Another interesting graph from NASA from this page.
    It is an interesting graph. In addition to the lack of warming over recent years, it also clearly shows the decline between the 40's and 70's. The same period where our emissions began to drastically increase. Why?

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    Big picture. You can take a snap shot of any 15 year period of the graph and it doesn't look like there is much change, stand back and you get the bigger picture, the Earth is warming up. DF and I have just been having a review of the graph. He's a scientist by thy way and although his field of expertise is not climatology he does spend a lot of time reading and analyzing graphs.

    Are you saying you know better than NASA and their findings? If so you should write to NASA and give them a heads-up on your analysis. public-inquiries@hq.nasa.gov

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Bec~ View Post
    Big picture. You can take a snap shot of any 15 year period of the graph and it doesn't look like there is much change, stand back and you get the bigger picture, the Earth is warming up.
    Yes it is. Have you stood back and looked at the bigger picture from 1700? It has been warming at the same rate since then.

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Bec~ View Post
    DF and I have just been having a review of the graph. He's a scientist by thy way and although his field of expertise is not climatology he does spend a lot of time reading and analyzing graphs.
    Good for you. Would you like to 'review' a graph that includes the Little Ice Age rather than just taking a 'snap shot'?

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Bec~ View Post
    Are you saying you know better than NASA and their findings? If so you should write to NASA and give them a heads-up on your analysis. public-inquiries@hq.nasa.gov
    I don't need to. There are plenty of scientists doing exactly that. You just don't seem to want to listen to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    It is an interesting graph. In addition to the lack of warming over recent years, it also clearly shows the decline between the 40's and 70's. The same period where our emissions began to drastically increase. Why?
    Clearly shows a decline between 40s and 70s??? I'd be more inclined to say that there is no particular trend evident in that time frame. Seriously Father, where on earth did you learn to read graphs? In multiple threads your interpretation of graphs has been questionable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Thanks for the graphs Bec. It's good to see you actually looking at graphs and numbers.

    What do you notice when you see those two graphs next to each other? CO2 increasing with the temperature not changing for the last decade and a half?
    And now you are suggesting that we compare a graph on the scale of hundreds of thousands of years with a one that covers 100 years? Do you really think that you can pick out the last decade and a half from the CO2 graph that starts 400,000 years ago? Come on.


 

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