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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Are you agreeing that they are correct? A simple yes or no would suffice.
    I would not want to work for Mr. Flannery.
    Tony Abbot maybe then.

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    That was quite a long response Atropos. Yet it failed to answer my simple question. Were my statements wrong?

    This thread is about climate change. It is not about my qualifications. Feel free to start your own thread about that if you find it so important.

    Were my statements wrong? Why is it so hard for you to answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    Tony Abbot maybe then.
    Why is it so hard for you to answer a question about climate change?
    "I don't know" is an acceptable answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Why won't you just answer the question? More than one person has explained our interest in your qualifications. I think it's pretty clear you don't have any. There's no shame in that. I don't have any in this area either. Which is why I listen to people with much more expertise than I have and form opinions that way. And my opinions are not set in stone. I've learned a lot from others in this thread who have been forthcoming with what they do and how they know certain facts. You, in the other hand, have made lots of statements, and glossed over other information. You've disregarded or ignored lots of information that doesn't suit your argument and I can't help but wonder what your aim is? I'm sure you know this, but you come off as very condescending too, which, as I mentioned to Steve the Anti-Fluoride guy, is no way to win people to your "side". You don't seem to want to share knowledge so much as to bash people over the head with information, whether it be right or wrong, in an attempt to make them seem foolish. Which seems odd since there are several posters with qualifications in this field posting- and it seems you aren't one of them, but instead are happy to tell them they're wrong.
    Oh we're all wrong. People who devote their life and career to the study and protection of the environment ( like Tim Flannery) would be the first people to be wrong. You don't go into any field of environmental science or management to make money, or for fame or recognition, you do it usually because you have strong desire to study, preserve and protect the natural world.

    So it's always great when someone behind a computer screen who has no experience whatsoever in the field is condescending enough to tell you that you are wrong, experts like Tim Flannery are wrong and that quoting a few lines from google mean you know that climate change is all a "con".

    That's ok though, I and others on here I'm sure are very comfortable with our views. That are founded from real research, field experience and years on the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    That was quite a long response Atropos. Yet it failed to answer my simple question. Were my statements wrong?

    This thread is about climate change. It is not about my qualifications. Feel free to start your own thread about that if you find it so important.

    Were my statements wrong? Why is it so hard for you to answer?
    Oh sorry father, I forgot it was only you who was allowed to evade/ignore questions!
    In answer to yours, I don't know with certainty if you are right or wrong. Another poster mentioned sea temps and other factors that need to be taken in to account- it seems like you have ignored those so there is every chance you are wrong.

    Your turn. Qualifications?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    - The money saved by waiting can be used for adaption.
    What money are you proposing we save? How long do we wait? Do you expect that it will be possible to instantaneously develop solutions (or adaption measures) some time in the future?

    I ask again what economic harm there is in providing incentives for clean energy now, so that we can be prepared?

    From a public policy perspective, it is irrelevant whether there has been any "statistically significant" warming for the last 16 years, or whether the rate of warming matches predicted rates of warming. What matters is that effects of climate change have been observed, such as melting polar ice caps, and natural resources are limited; so it makes sense to encourage (& pay for) the development and commercialisation of clean energy technologies. As an added bonus, Australia has the chance to be a world leader in clean energy, which will bring with it huge economic benefit... which might enable us to sustain strong economic growth once the mining boom subsides (see earlier comment regarding finite resources).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    That's ok though, I and others on here I'm sure are very comfortable with our views. That are founded from real research, field experience and years on the job.
    Yet you cannot answer if my statements are wrong. Are they wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Why is it so hard for you to answer a question about climate change?
    "I don't know" is an acceptable answer.
    Father I already said yes you are right, you are so right I really think you need to print off your statements from google and run them straight to the dept. of climate change. They are missing out on important information that you could educate them on. Tony Abbot might even give you a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Yet you cannot answer if my statements are wrong. Are they wrong?
    Your "statements " are so cutting edge it might be possible you could apply for an honorary doctorate in climate change science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Funchu View Post
    What money are you proposing we save? How long do we wait? Do you expect that it will be possible to instantaneously develop solutions (or adaption measures) some time in the future?

    I ask again what economic harm there is in providing incentives for clean energy now, so that we can be prepared?

    From a public policy perspective, it is irrelevant whether there has been any "statistically significant" warming for the last 16 years, or whether the rate of warming matches predicted rates of warming. What matters is that effects of climate change have been observed, such as melting polar ice caps, and natural resources are limited; so it makes sense to encourage (& pay for) the development and commercialisation of clean energy technologies. As an added bonus, Australia has the chance to be a world leader in clean energy, which will bring with it huge economic benefit... which might enable us to sustain strong economic growth once the mining boom subsides (see earlier comment regarding finite resources).
    You are being waaaay too sensible.

    Easier just to think its all a conspiracy.


 

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