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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Nette View Post
    Father, I just can't understand your 'tallest' analogy. Your height, which by its very nature is pretty much fixed from about your late teens, is not a suitable comparison to temperature. If you really feel the need to use an analogy (because clearly we can't understand your argument otherwise), perhaps graphing your weight would be more useful. This is a measurement that changes on a daily, monthly and yearly basis and is influenced by outside factors (exercise, diet, illness) and therefore is a more relevant comparison with temperature than your height fixed (by genetics a long time ago).
    Ok. Conveniently, this will also work for my weight. My weight 12 years ago was 67kgs. I currently weigh 67kgs.
    My 10 heaviest years have all occurred in the last 10 years.
    Am I getting heavier?

    I can't see how simpler I can make it. Maybe a picture will help?
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    Talking about the last decade being the warmest, or x number of hottest years in the period x is irreverent. We are talking about the trend. Not records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Ok. Conveniently, this will also work for my weight. My weight 12 years ago was 67kgs. I currently weigh 67kgs.
    My 10 heaviest years have all occurred in the last 10 years.
    Am I getting heavier?

    I can't see how simpler I can make it. Maybe a picture will help?
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    Talking about the last decade being the warmest, or x number of hottest years in the period x is irreverent. We are talking about the trend. Not records.
    That clearly shows that carbon has no effect whatsoever on Fathers weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Nette View Post
    2. Climate Change does not happen. We have taken action anyway. Outcome - we have spent some money on a number of initiatives. Those initiatives have hopefully produced new technology such as renewables. The world looks different from today, but we all carry on.
    This is where I have a problem. Technology doesn't need taxpayers to invent them.
    Did we need a horse tax to invent the car?
    The technology will progress on its own - but only when it becomes cheap enough.

    If one is really concerned about reducing emissions, there is plenty going on that actually does that. Nuclear power is an obvious option. Gas has reduced emissions substantially. Thorium reactors. Clean coal. These can all produce base load power. Unlike bird killing windmills.

    This, as an example, looks like some great technology.
    A power plant that captures 99 of the carbon dioxide.
    http://www.osu.edu/features/2013/ohi...echnology.html
    I'm not sure why it has been kept so quiet and gotten so little attention. I would have thought environmentalists would have been dancing from the roof tops about this technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Funchu View Post
    Father said "economic harm", not "economic impact". Of course the carbon tax has an "economic impact" - that's the point of a tax. I want to know what the "harm" is in taxing high pollutors & offering incentives, such as incentives for manufacturers to install energy efficiency measures & incentives for renewable energy innovation.
    The harm is that I don't believe that the tax does encourage "high polluters" to use more environmentally friendly methods.

    In fact I know of a council which pays it due to waste that is within its area, not the "pollution" it produces. This has been passed on to its residents.

    A tax that does not achieve what it purports is economically and politically damaging to the government who implements it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabella View Post
    That clearly shows that carbon has no effect whatsoever on Fathers weight.
    Actually. Carbon would have a substantial effect on my weight. Do you not have carbon in your diet?

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    *atmospheric carbon

    I love carbon in my diet!! Even if some forms are possibly carcinogenic.... That is a whole different graph however.

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    Dr Karl even backs up that we lose weight overnight due to carbon loss

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabella View Post
    *atmospheric carbon
    What form of carbon? Dioxide? Monoxide? Methane?

    People seems to have lost a sense on what 'carbon' is. This survey that was conducted in 2011 had some interesting results.
    http://joannenova.com.au/2011/04/car...te-propaganda/
    Including 37% of people wanting to reduce carbon in the body!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Carbon or carbon dioxide?
    I'm an inclusive kind of person, so I use the term atmospheric carbon as the generally accepted term that encompasses carbon dioxide, methane, chlorofluorocarbons and all those other carbon inclusive gaseous substances in the atmosphere. I just hate having to spell them out all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Ha. They are an impressive team aren't they?
    Richard Linzden, John Cristy, and Roy Spencer better watch out! There is a zoo volunteer and a kayaker debating them.
    Are you kidding me? Amazing how you choose to ignore the several other SCIENTISTS that are listed with several degrees in various areas under their names, masters, PhDs, etc. But let's all believe the BubHub guy! What do you do for a living? Do you have a doctorate or masters in any of this? I openly admit I don't, but I choose to believe the 97% of the worlds scientist that believe in climate change. Do you also think NASA isn't reliable? Are you one of those people that thinks NASA made up the moon-landing?

    I'm curious as to what the conspiracy is that you believe is happening here? What are all these scientists and world leaders gaining by all conspiring to exaggerate climate change, global warming, it's current effects and predicted effects?

    I assume you may be directly effected by the carbon tax (from a comment you made about my employment much earlier in this thread, ie that I must not be in manufacturing) which is maybe why you have such a problem with it all and are therefore a skeptic?

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