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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirst33 View Post
    Haven't really thought about the govt's predictions as it will take far less than a 5C rise to drastically change the Earth.
    Does that mean that you think the government is over-estimating it? Or do you think this is a legitimate figure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Does that mean that you think the government is over-estimating it? Or do you think this is a legitimate figure?
    A couple things- one: to be honest I've never heard them estimate 5C. And two: I actually don't put much stock in the Australian govt (at least with its leaders right now). There are certain Aus. politicians I admire or don't mind for various reasons but overall I find many of them lacking. I do agree with some stances they've taken and think 'good on them' for willing to do it but I go elsewhere for my information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Thanks. Using the escalator link that you provided (not sure what dataset that they used to create that as there is no source)
    As far as this comment, I'm fairly certain their "sources" are the scientists that contribute to Skeptical Science: http://www.skepticalscience.com/team.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    That link didn't work.
    The IPCC has estimated alot of things. 'At risk' does not mean much. I am at risk of extinction every time I cross the road.

    You don't have much faith in the resilience of nature. With some areas having a diurnal variation of 40 degrees in one day. I would like to think that plants and animals should be able to cope with a change of 1.5 degrees over 100 years.
    I'm sure you can copy and paste the link. But here it is again and may work since I'm no longer on my phone: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Fea...ming/page6.php

    Are you telling me that I should trust your opinion on the resilience of nature over NASA's? I'll take NASA thanks. Would you like NASA to site it's sources as well?

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    Saying man made climate change isn't happening is like saying the sea levels are rising because there are more ships and more reclaimed land than ever before (that insightful snippet from my SIL's bf)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirst33 View Post
    I'm sure you can copy and paste the link. But here it is again and may work since I'm no longer on my phone: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Fea...ming/page6.php

    Are you telling me that I should trust your opinion on the resilience of nature over NASA's? I'll take NASA thanks. Would you like NASA to site it's sources as well?
    Thanks. It worked that time. No, I'm not asking you to trust my opinion. I have only been asking you to recognise the facts. NASA's website is predictions. It would have been nice for their feature article to contain more actual observations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chunkydunks View Post
    Saying man made climate change isn't happening is like saying the sea levels are rising because there are more ships and more reclaimed land than ever before (that insightful snippet from my SIL's bf)
    No one is saying it isn't happening. Just questioning to what extent.

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    I'm not saying that at all, give credibility to Nicola Scafetta if you want, but ask yourself, why is he in such a tiny minority? Is it because he a) way better at science than anyone else? Or b) he could possibly be wrong.

    The 30 year quote came from the Victorian Governments website on climate change. But, I notice with most deniers if it has anything to do with governments or scientists in general, if they aren't saying what you want to hear you tend to disregard altogether. But maybe you might prove me wrong?

    "the 20 warmest years have all occurred since 1981, and the 10 warmest have all occurred in the past 12 years." - NOAA/

    I'd be interested to hear your rebuttal to the above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Who wrote it? It doesn't even have a name on it. It is a blog post without a name. Why do I have to give them more credibility than someone like Nicola Scafetta?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Thanks. It worked that time. No, I'm not asking you to trust my opinion. I have only been asking you to recognise the facts. NASA's website is predictions. It would have been nice for their feature article to contain more actual observations.
    You gave no facts (or sources at least) on your opinion of the resilience of nature. I'm fairly certain NASA's piece would be based on factual observations. In fact, if you scan to the right of the page I gave you earlier there is a whole link to references and resources. http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Fea...ming/page7.php

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    And good ol' Skeptical Science comes out with the goods again! Here's an article on nature's ability to adapt to global warming: http://www.skepticalscience.com/Can-...al-warming.htm


 

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