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    It is very often that people don't die from things like say, surgery, but something like sepsis. They wouldn't have gotten sepsis if they hadn't had the surgery so of course surgery is the cause of it.

    This baby would not have died that day if he didn't have the circ, sure it might not be the only cause, but it was a huge factor. So absolutely it can be seen that the circ was one of the causes of the babies death, and if it turns out he had a blood disorder, that would be another huge factor.

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    A better comparison to draw than the c/section one would be;

    Parents refusing a blood transfusion for their child on religious grounds. I have to say I totally agree with the courts ruling in favour of medical intervention. Those kids have as much of a right to a healthy and happy life as anyone else, religious or not. And clearly, when they are young, they haven't chosen the religion, their parents have.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/s...-1226381000568

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    If you want to get really technical all deaths are due to the heart stopping (or is it the brain stopping?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Bec~ View Post
    If you want to get really technical all deaths are due to the heart stopping (or is it the brain stopping?).
    I would say heart, but I'm no expert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    I would say heart, but I'm no expert.
    Brain stem.

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    I was talking more from the angle that people use their religious beliefs as a reason to circ. And that to me, that is not a good enough reason, just as refusing a transfusion for religious reasons is not a good enough reasons. Just as FGM is often for religious reasons and that also isn't a good enough.



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    I don't think that's as controversial to others as an elective c-section, most people would agree that a child needing a blood transfusion and the parents refusing as wrong as a blood transfusion would be seen by most people as necessary. What about a parent that chooses to cut their baby's tongue-tie? That is something that can fix itself and a baby in most cases can bottled feed but may not be able to breastfeed. Some would find it necessary to cut and others would find it unnecessary.

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    "Because his dad is" just doesn't sound like a reason that you could reasonably debate. It is the lines of "because I just want too".

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    I have read the research but I am not sure what pros you mean? The only things that seem to come up over and over, is religion, because family members are done, because uncut is stinky/smelly, that it may prevent UTIs which may never happen anyway and a few scientific papers that imply that it may prevent STIs sometimes.

    Not sure that any of those can actually be considered pros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirst33 View Post
    Some parents do do their research ... Some may find it necessary, others may find it unnecessary.
    It's quite clear when you disaggregate the prevalence trends over the past 40 years that what's changing is not the "research" but the social norm. We are moving (back) to a European situation, where infant circumcision is restricted to Muslims/Jews.

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    So if circing for religious reasons is good enough (for boys anyway) then how about the religions that marry off young girls to then start a family is this too ok?


 

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