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    I think the first issue falls with the quote from the surrogate....

    "Really needed the $22,000 fee"

    So she's basically prostituting out her uterus for 9 months?

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    I think this is the danger of turning babies into a commodity. Devastating for everyone involved but mostly for the child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annabella View Post
    The law can say what it wants, but she inevitably has the last say over her body. I'm pretty sure her right to bodily autonomy would outweigh her signing over her bodily autonomy, in the sense that the state can't physically force her to terminate, if that makes sense? Which it doesn't lol! But you know what I mean, they couldn't handcuff her to a bed and perform the procedure on her without her consent.
    While I agree they couldn't force her she would probably have to repay everything she received from the couple. A compete mess

    As for the law, yes it can take away your bodily autonomy. Just ask qld'ers who aren't entitled to abortions unless it's for medical reasons. Anyway OT.

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    I think the problem here is using a "standard contract" instead of checking both parties are on the same page with all of the terms.

    For something like this it is very important to match people with similar choices to avoid this situation.

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    I also dont like the fact that the intended mother seemed to suddenly have no rights once it was brought to light that a donor egg had been used.
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    I have heard of a reverse case of this on this forum years ago.
    A surrogate terminated the surrogate child, who was entirely healthy and not at all the genetic child of the surrogate in order to claim the baby bonus (the abortion was done at 22 weeks, with the surrogate claiming that the child was a product of a rape to get the abortion).
    I think if you become a surrogate that the intended parents should get Vito over what you do. If you don't like it, don't become a surrogate.

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    You can't buy the rights to someone's body, you should know that when you have a surrogate. So while the baby is in her body she decides what to do.
    People should consider this woman is a person, she agreed to carry a child, not hand over all rights to her body like she is nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainbow road View Post
    I don't know about you, but I've signed things stating that my death could be an outcome (at hospitals etc). I certainly don't expect it'll eventuate.

    I believe forcing someone to have an abortion is wrong, but I also feel for the parents. I don't think there can be any winners, really. At the end of the day, you can't buy someone's body.

    ETA: I didn't say it was only cleft palate, I'm saying some people would think cleft palate would be enough to warrant an abortion.

    They did IVF. I know how much they wanted that baby. My heart breaks for all of them, but you cannot force someone to have an abortion against their will, even if they signed a contract saying they would. That contract has no weight against her right to bodily autonomy. They can certainly try to sue her though.

    I agree, commercial surrogacy is a risky, risky game.
    I too have a really hard time with the idea of commercialising or comodifying anything body related.

    Bodily autonomy is a *funny* concept in the discussion. Yes, it is her body, but she traded on her body to basically rent out her uterus.

    Just idly putting thought out there - what if the surrogate met a man part way through the pregnancy and she decided that she didn't want to be pregnant anymore - is she still entitled to bodily autonomy despite having accepted money for carrying a baby?

    I think the whole situation is really tragic, but the part that really confuses me is that the couple who commissioned her to carry their child would have been prepared to turn the baby over to the state. It is all so sad and my heart breaks for any pain that that poor little baby may have to endure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anjalee View Post
    Sorry, I've never looked into surrogacy. How does it normally work? Do the couple normally just pay the medical expenses?
    Yes, we need to understand the difference between altruistic surrogacy (which we have in Aus), and commercial surrogacy (which exists in the US and places like India).

    In altruistic surrogacy the surrogate is not allowed to receive any payment for carrying the baby. medical expenses are paid for by the bio parents.

    In commercial surrogacy, the surrogate is literally paid money to carry the child. Plus all medical expenses are paid for by the bio parents as well. The amount that the surrogate is paid is negotiated between the parties. For example, I'm sure in the case of celebrities the surrogate will be paid hundereds of thousands. In India the surrogate is also paid, just an awful lot less than that . so they are literally selling their bodies.

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    Such a sad situation.

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    To start with the law is the one in the wrong NOT the surro!!! Who is she to decide to end this baby life or not? I certainly wouldn't want that guilt on my shoulders for the rest of my life if I didn't agree with abortion especially if it was for the religious reason.

    Yes she wanted to make some money and most of you don't agree with that but at the end of the day who really wants to go through a pregnancy for 9 months for nothing? Yes some do and I think that is beautiful but pregnancy is hard work! ** I'm not saying I agree with commercial surrogacy but a few of you have said if you don't like it don't be a surrogate! If it was as black and white as that do you think women would be helping family's to become parents?

    I saw a thread not long ago about a young girl (16?) Having a abortion at 15 or 16 weeks and many supported that decision aswell I'm sorry but to many of you can be quick to jump on the whole idea of abortion like it's ok but have we forgotten that sex makes babies at the end of the day?

    I too have had a sick baby in nicu and it'd heart wrenchin, my Son was one of them baby's that bet all the odds! I feel sorry for both parties but truly believe the law should be to blame here.

    I do believe a parent should have the right to abort due to abnormalities but surrogacy is a whole other story and unfortunately there's risks.


 

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