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    Default Masada and Catnapping, but sleeps well at night.

    Has anyone taken their catnapping baby to Masada? My DD turns 6 months next week and generally sleeps well at night, but only has 2 x 30-37 min maximum sleeps in her cot in the day and a possible even shorter one that I rock her to sleep and hold her, while she sleeps. She usually self settles in the cot with her comforter really quickly and easily and for the first two sleeps and also for her night sleep, unless extremely overtired. I try to get her to have that third sleep in the cot, but always fail. I am afraid if I take her to Masada to try to correct her day sleeps, that it will have an impact on her night sleeps? I know they say sleep promotes sleep, but so far I haven't seen this in practice for my LO.

    I know she needs more day time sleep, because she is cranky and almost unmanageable by the end of the day and turns FERAL if not in bed by 6:45-7 with wind-down time beforehand. I also have to express and give her a bottle before the night sleep, so she will stay awake while feeding and have a full feed. She just falls asleep on the boob and wakes an hour later hungry if I breastfeed.

    She has also been in a dennis brown bar brace since she was 7 weeks for developmental hip dysplasia, so I'm sure this doesn't help.

    I basically never have been successful at resettling, unless I rock her back to sleep and hold her till the sleep ends, so it will be interesting to see the methods they use.

    Has anyone else experienced a similar situation? Any suggestions and experiences appreciated! Thanks x

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    My bub had the exact same sleep pattern in the day and also slept well at night. I found it frustrating as I never had much time to myself in the day to get anything done!

    DS was also cranky by the end of the day so I have always put him down at 6/6.30pm which seems to work.

    Personally I didn't go to sleep school about it as I didn't want to ever leave him crying in the cot even for a short time (which all sleep schools I know of do). I also fully believe that some babies just don't need 1.5/2 hour sleeps in the day. So many people I know waste the first few months of their babies' lives trying to get them to sleep and resettling and it wasn't for me, or bub.

    He actually has a longer morning sleep now - he has just grown into it!

    I do know people who have had success with sleep school so if you are comfortable with it then do look into it. Otherwise I'd just suggest moving her bedtime to a bit earlier.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    My bub had the exact same sleep pattern in the day and also slept well at night. I found it frustrating as I never had much time to myself in the day to get anything done!

    DS was also cranky by the end of the day so I have always put him down at 6/6.30pm which seems to work.

    Personally I didn't go to sleep school about it as I didn't want to ever leave him crying in the cot even for a short time (which all sleep schools I know of do). I also fully believe that some babies just don't need 1.5/2 hour sleeps in the day. So many people I know waste the first few months of their babies' lives trying to get them to sleep and resettling and it wasn't for me, or bub.

    He actually has a longer morning sleep now - he has just grown into it!

    I do know people who have had success with sleep school so if you are comfortable with it then do look into it. Otherwise I'd just suggest moving her bedtime to a bit earlier.

    Good luck!
    It's funny because I go through stages of accepting it and then letting it get to me. It really does make it hard to get anything done and I don't get out much, which makes it even more depressing! I know I'm not enjoying life as much as I should.

    The only reason I put DD to bed at 7 is so I can give her last feed at 6:30ish to hopefully get her through the full night. This morning we were up at 5, with a expressed bottle at 6:35 and a bedtime of 7. What time does your LO wake with a 6/6:30 bedtime? How old is he?

    I've got a date for Masada already, but am sceptical and wonder if my baby just doesn't need to sleep as long and maybe she is just bored, not overtired! I just don't want to put both of us through that ordeal for no result. Or worse, it affects the night sleep!

    I keep thinking she will grow in to longer sleeps also, when she starts moving about. I was told apparently the golden age was 5-6 months, then it changed to 6, then 7 and now I've been told 9. I'm just sick of hoping and waiting for it.

    Also, there is a lot of variation to the total number of hours it is suggested a baby of 6 months needs. Dr. Richard Ferber has the lowest of them all at 12-13 hours total. I don't support all his advise, but do wonder if this is true. Sometimes if DD has a rough night, she will actually make it up the next day! Masada apparently want a 6 month old to have 2 x 1.5-2 hour day sleep and a catnap + about 12 hours at night

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    Yeah that recommendation is way too much for my bub!

    He is 8 months, almost 9. He goes till 6.30/7am now which is great! Up until he was 7 months he was waking at 5/5.30 for the day. Fun!

    I usually do a short resettle somewhere in the night but no feeds.

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    http://www.parentingscience.com/baby...uirements.html

    this is a great website that lists how much sleep is avg for age groups but also lists things like social/cultural/feeding methods that could cause deviation from it.


    an extract -

    6 months old:• the average baby got about 14.2 hours of total sleep
    • 50% of babies got between 13 and 15.5 hours
    • 96% of babies got between 10.4 and 18.1 hours


    I know both my girls used to get the avg - dd1 at 6mths was doing 2x2hr ish naps during the day and 10-11 overnight (total 14-15)

    DD2 at 6mths was sleeping 11hrs overnight with naps ranging from 2.5-4hrs during the day. (13.5-15).

    thought this might help

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    I understand your frustration as DS was a catnapper but he slept badly at night also. He grew out of it at 7/8 months - so your bub might grow out of it soon.

    DD (8 weeks) catnaps quite a bit and it is bothering me as she is miserable in between naps and screams her head off. I know she needs more sleep.

    I know you said your LO is overtired at the end of the day but during the day is she ok?

    Can she self-settle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia View Post
    http://www.parentingscience.com/baby...uirements.html

    this is a great website that lists how much sleep is avg for age groups but also lists things like social/cultural/feeding methods that could cause deviation from it.


    an extract -

    6 months old:• the average baby got about 14.2 hours of total sleep
    • 50% of babies got between 13 and 15.5 hours
    • 96% of babies got between 10.4 and 18.1 hours


    I know both my girls used to get the avg - dd1 at 6mths was doing 2x2hr ish naps during the day and 10-11 overnight (total 14-15)

    DD2 at 6mths was sleeping 11hrs overnight with naps ranging from 2.5-4hrs during the day. (13.5-15).

    thought this might help

    Thanks, that does help! I will check out the site now. My DD is within the average, but low low end! I've tried resettling a couple of times over the last few days (rocking only works) and the night sleeps happen to be going out the window with long periods of being awake. Could be related, or could be the heat/teeth...too many variables! But can't help but think it's because I've tried to get more day sleep out of her. I've said it once before and I'll say it again I don't think sleep promotes sleep for my DD!

    That is great sleeping from your girls! Especially after being serial catnappers. I can only hope that this is the month for us! DD is 6 months tomorrow

    By the way, DD is now allowed to be out of the brace for day time and only has to wear it overnight! Should also be interesting to see if she is more comfortable to sleep better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by duckduckgoose View Post
    I understand your frustration as DS was a catnapper but he slept badly at night also. He grew out of it at 7/8 months - so your bub might grow out of it soon.

    DD (8 weeks) catnaps quite a bit and it is bothering me as she is miserable in between naps and screams her head off. I know she needs more sleep.

    I know you said your LO is overtired at the end of the day but during the day is she ok?

    Can she self-settle?
    It is frustrating! She is actually usually pretty happy when she wakes up and then from there it is anyones guess! Sometimes she is ok and other times I'm counting down the minutes till it's time for another nap! But, I also try to please her to avoid the screaming and know that from about 1.25-1.5 hours onwards of awake time, I have to really entertain and/or hold her. She only goes down after 2 hours awake time now. I know this from a very fresh experience, when I tired to put her down 15-20 mins earlier this morning, because she was tired but she ended up not settling at all and I had to rock her to sleep...and then hold her for the sleep. She woke after 20 mins though, so I rocked her and back to sleep for another 20 mins . She self settles usually really well though...that was my boo boo before! She sleeps with a comforter and mostly goes off without a peep. It's only the 3rd nap for the day that I can't get her to self settle and sleep on her own in the cot. I end up having a lay down with her, after also rocking her to sleep. Not sure why??? Any ideas as to why the first two naps are a breeze in comparison? Overtired?

    Did your DS start sleeping well or better overnight too when his day sleeps got better?

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    I think your bub is trying to drop that third nap. Try to put her down every second day for it or just get rid of it amd bring bedtime forward by 30min.

    We've recently moved dd2 from 3 to 2 naps. And they have both become longer. Also once your bubba is crawling they should sleep way bettet cos then they actually get physically tired too.

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    at 6mths my dd got into 3 day sleeps with the help of a sleep specialist who came to our home (council provided this free service). She was a fantastic help. never told me i was doing anything wrong - because i wasnt!, never made me let dd cry. At one stage i wanted to try that method and the sleep lady was with me every step of the way, telling me to listen to her cry, when its a grizzle, a fight or when she needed me and when to go in.
    the sleep specialist did not reccomend sleep school for us because it turned out and i learnt, dd was a baby who thrived on consistency and routine. She knew how to sleep but just needed guidence and consistency.

    Ps. every baby gets ratty in the late arvo by the 3rd sleep. if ur getting a short nap in then, ur doing better than alot of us!
    ds is only 9 weeks and has naturally started doing 3 day sleeps (morning one being 2hrs (after being up for 3hrs) but is on me in sling as im busy with dd. 2nd sleep is actually 2 broken up sleeps of 40mins-1hr each but the 3rd 'sleep' is a 20min nap at 5/5.30pm in my arms to 'revive' him so he will feed well before i put him to bed at 7pm. so far its working, he sleeps thru till 5-6.30am.

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