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    Quote Originally Posted by GM01 View Post
    I'm not sure how you can compare these threads and am quite shocked that you would.
    She's pointing out that in both cases people are arguing semantics.

    I see you're still referring to only some women who are "correct to use that term". By whose standards?! Surely by now you understand that in Australia any caesarean that is not elective is emergency?

    Wannawannabe, thank you! That's great to know
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    I always have thought there were 3 classes:
    Elective- by choice,
    Emergency - something not quite right
    Crash.. Totally necessary NOW!! Also I believed a crash Caesar to possibly involve a vertical incision if time is not an option??

    But just so you know OP you may upset some ladies who had 'emergency' Caesars... Yes, yours sounds very horrific and I'm sorry for you for that but you're essentially trying to put others down for not having as a traumatic birth as yours. I hope you find help with dealing with it all.

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    And by choice I mean it was decided on before labor!! ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pooks View Post
    I always have thought there were 3 classes:
    Elective- by choice,
    Emergency - something not quite right
    Crash.. Totally necessary NOW!! Also I believed a crash Caesar to possibly involve a vertical incision if time is not an option??

    But just so you know OP you may upset some ladies who had 'emergency' Caesars... Yes, yours sounds very horrific and I'm sorry for you for that but you're essentially trying to put others down for not having as a traumatic birth as yours. I hope you find help with dealing with it all.
    I wasn't trying to do this, absolutely not. And I am very sorry if I unintentionally have made any other mums felt judged or their experience trivialised.

    In relation to your point about incisions in crash cs - I have an upper segment incision but its still transverse, not vertical.

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    GM01, can I please clarify something that's confusing me when you use the words "correct" and "incorrect"?

    Are you saying that you would prefer hospitals to use different terms, because you feel the current ones aren't appropriate?

    Or are you saying that many women are actually using the incorrect terms to describe their caesarean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    How about 4 new categories: elective,
    Recommended (scheduled and ahead of schedule), necessary and emergency..?!
    See my post. There already are 4 categories in place in Australia as define by RANZGOG none of which use the words "emergency" or "elective".

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    Quote Originally Posted by GM01 View Post
    I wasn't trying to do this, absolutely not. And I am very sorry if I unintentionally have made any other mums felt judged or their experience trivialised.

    In relation to your point about incisions in crash cs - I have an upper segment incision but its still transverse, not vertical.
    :-) I guess it may upset some mums, maybe 'new/er' mums. I think I would have felt a bit judged by someone saying this to me 6 years ago after the emergency Caesar I had. But now another 2 electives later it doesn't bother me personally :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambjam View Post
    GM01, can I please clarify something that's confusing me when you use the words "correct" and "incorrect"?

    Are you saying that you would prefer hospitals to use different terms, because you feel the current ones aren't appropriate?

    Or are you saying that many women are actually using the incorrect terms to describe their caesarean?

    I used the terms correct/incorrect in relation to the Wikipedia categories, which I was under the impression were correct, both in my OP and when referring back to my OP in later posts.

    Wannawannabe has clarified for us all what the categories are, and in response to her post I explained that the distinction between cat 1 and 2 is what I was very poorly trying to describe.

    So in summary- if I (or anyone else) were to believe the Wikipedia categories to be the correct terminology I was saying that some women were using the incorrect term, but now that I (and others) have been informed and educated (of the Cat 1 to Cat 4 situation) I am in agreeance with many others, that perhaps they all need their own 'name' and throwing two labels across all 4 categories does not quite work.

    I also feel for those who wanted a vb who get lumped with the term elective.

    Confusion cleared up?

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    I had an emergency Caesar due to pre eclampsia, fetal distress and failure to progress. I would have thought that any Caesar that wasn't planned would be classed as an emergency due to the fact that it's a major operation in a short amount of time. That, at the end of the day, both mum and baby are at risk. I've never heard of anyone having an emergency Caesar that wasn't in fact an emergency. I understand that the OP had severe complications which sounds very distressing. I was in organ failure and if they hadn't told me I wouldn't have known. I was in good hands and wasn't concerned at all. Hope you're ok OP

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    Op, I get where you are coming from, but from the other side. I had an elective c/section, but like so many others it wasn't a choice. In terms of birthing at a hospital anyway. I wish they would call it something else because was necessary. My second c/section was elective, so I have no problem that items called elective. Does that make sense?


 
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