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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    I felt a lot of anger and trauma over her birth and what followed, but I was angry at my situation and how it impacted on me, not on what other women went through and whether their experience trivialised mine.
    This.

    I'm also sorry that you went through such a traumatic experience.

    But OP you have no real idea what other women have gone through with their experiences either, the fact that it may not have been 'emergency enough' in comparison to what you think should be called an 'emergency cs' does not mean it was not traumatic and awful for them either.

    FWIW I had an emergency CS and code blue or not I will not tolerate anybody judging my experience as not 'emergency enough' to be classed as an 'emergency cs' - you have no idea of my experiences, levels of trauma or ability to cope with what had happened.

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    I think the crux of the issue is that in many cases both terms are misnomers. I had an 'elective' c-section, but if I had gone into labour naturally there is a reasonable chance that bub and I might both have not made, her umbilical cord was stuck at the entrance to my cervix and she was swimming in 5.5l of amniotic fluid. Hardly elective really.
    I'm sorry you had such a poor birth experience but I think you will find almost all women have a problem with the nomenclature of Caesars in Australia.

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    OP, I think the thing to keep in mind is that it's a medical term, used by hospitals and doctors to differentiate between two situations.

    When I presented at the hospital bleeding when pregnant with DS1, I was horrified when the doctor used the term "threatened abortion"; similarly when I miscarried #3 I found the overheard phrase "patient aborting in bed nine" unsettling.

    But they're medical terms, and they perform a descriptive function for hospital staff. That they don't work so well on an emotional level is unfortunate

    I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience. I didn't mean to contribute to this, I hope you find the support you need
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    Perhaps OP if you feel you need to differentiate your experience to others then you could use the term 'code blue emergency cs'

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    Sorry I meant to thank lambjam not GM01.

    The terms are what they are. Sorry you are suffering in this way but changing the words used wont change that.

    Terms like period of confinement and failure to progress are still used and I think they are so outdated and inappropriate.

    I hope you can get some support with this.
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    I agree with the suggestion that really there needs to be more medical definitions. (eg. Planned medically required, Planned elective, unplanned medically required and life threatening emergency) Currently in Australia there are two terms, so the mothers are not using them incorrectly, there is just want/need for a better term.

    As other PPs have expressed, many women feel equally annoyed (though not traumatised) at having their CS classed as 'elective' when they are in no way choosing it (eg. medically necessary), it just happens to be booked in.

    I had an emergency CS and consider that I was very lucky that the day I went into labour there were 4 elective CSes happening that day so all the staff were on hand and I could be operated on before my situation escalated putting my DD at greater risk than she already was in and enabling me to be concious for the surgery. I could very well have gone into labour later that night with no specialist staff on hand and have been faced with the same situation + a wait of several hours to get the right staff on hand potentially creating a very scary emergency. I'm thankful every day for the way that things turned out, but still define my CS as an 'emergency'.

    I feel for you and the extreme trauma you have been through - in fact being 25 weeks now your signature always makes me smile as it gives me hope that if everything were to go pear shaped tomorrow there is a chance I could have a take home baby.

    However each person can only base their feelings on their own 'worst experience'. A woman for whom her own 'emergency' was the most distressing experience of their life, while it may pale in comparison to yours, it is still to her the most traumatic thing she has ever experienced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretched View Post
    (eg. Planned medically required, Planned elective, unplanned medically required and life threatening emergency)
    Spot on

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    Most would still be "emergency" IMO.

    On the contrary, I was annoyed that when I was first told I would need a csection that it would be documented as an elective, because it certainly wasn't something I had chosen. Once they discovered my baby was in transverse lie at 5cm dilated with meconium in the waters, it was then an emergency. Everything happened so quickly that my husband didn't even make it to the birth.

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    Actually, the more I think about it the more I'm struggling to imagine an unplanned caesarean that needed to be carried out immediately yet somehow wasn't an "emergency"...

    However I do think there needs to be a distinction between medically required planned caesareans and truly elective caesareans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambjam View Post
    Actually, the more I think about it the more I'm struggling to imagine an unplanned caesarean that needed to be carried out immediately yet somehow wasn't an "emergency"...
    If I decided not to VBAC this time (even if all conditions allowed for it) and booked for a CS at 39 weeks, but contractions started at 38 weeks, I went straight to the hospital, I wasn't dilated, waters had not broken, no fetal distress, but I wanted to proceed with the CS - this would still be defined as 'emergency' by the hospital because it would not be happened 'as planned'. Go figure!


 
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