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    Default trying to introduce a more solid routine...

    .... to an almost 8 month old

    how long did it take you to go from go with the flow to more sleep for bubs?

    until now we've been a go with the flow with naps and routine. she sorted out her own sleep and nap times.

    She used to sleep so well at night and in her own cot which is in our room.
    Since she started teething she starts off in her cot but once dh and I turn off our bedside lamps it doesn't take long for her to end up on our bed where she'll stay until she wakes up.

    her daytime naps normally consist of a 40-50 minute nap about an hour and a half after she wakes up

    when she wakes up we play. when she shows her sleepy signs we feed to sleep

    then another 40 or so minute nap around 4/5 depending on her wake up time.

    She used to have a 1.5 - 2 hour nap then awake and play until just recently but I suspect her top teeth are making a move.

    she isn't getting good quality sleep at night and has bags under her eyes

    Is it worth trying to get her into a more full on routine whilst she is going through the teething/ separation anxiety phase?

    dh and I won't be using CIO or cc

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    A routine doesnt have to be strict and time based ie at 7.51 put baby down for nap. feed baby at 11.10 etc

    You could have a solid pattern of events that follows a loose/firm time frame...

    ie... I wake my girls latest by 6.30am but usually they are up between 5.30-6am. That way my 8mth old is ready for a nap at 8-8.15am ish and will sleep till 9-9.30am ish. I will wake her up at 9.30 as thats when we usually head out for an activity etc

    So our day looks like

    DD1 and DD2 wake at 5.30-6am. DD2 bf
    both girls Breakfast at 6.30-7am ish
    DD2 naps 8-8.15-9-9.30am - usually 1-1.5hrs. But up latest 9.30am.
    Morning tea around 10am/bf for dd2 (this is usually in an activity ie library/playgroup/park/shops etc)
    lunch 11.30am
    Both girls sleep 12/12.30-2.30pm. Again I have to wake dd1 as then she wont sleep in the evening at the right time ish.
    afternoon tea for both 3pm (usually in an activity - park/playdate etc)
    bf for dd2 at 4pm
    dinner for both at 5pm
    bf for dd2 at 6pm
    bath for dd2 6.15pm
    bed for dd2 at 6.30pm
    dd1 bath bed 7.30pm.

    our evenings are more rigid as I usually am doing the bed/bath by myself as DH is often away... but you can be more flexible as you need to be.

    have you got a good 'nap wind down' routine? I usually change bum and pop in her cot for a few min to acquaint her with it, then wrap her up in a cot sheet (arms free) and feed to drowsy, pop in cot and pat bum saying 'nigh nigh'. i've recently introduced a dummy as DD2 is a sucky baby and now can find it in her cot if she loses it.

    it appears your bubba is having 3x 45min naps. Are YOU ok with it? some babies are just catnappers and its IMO a PIA to keep resettling. I usually let it go and they eventually outgrow it when they move to 1-2 solid sleeps a day.

    whats the night sleep like? its still normal for your bubba to feed overnight. remember that bm has those lovely sleepy hormones that help bubbas sleep when their gums are hurting them. Is bubba just comfort suckling or actually feeding?
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    Id like to know too. Im over it at the moment. Night sleeps have gone crap again and day sleeps are non existant most days.
    I do the same pattern each day but it doesng make any difference at the moment.
    Would love to know the secrets for a routine?

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    oh and all rules/patterns are out the door for illness/teeth.

    then you just do what you gotta do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia View Post
    A routine doesnt have to be strict and time based ie at 7.51 put baby down for nap. feed baby at 11.10 etc

    You could have a solid pattern of events that follows a loose/firm time frame...

    ie... I wake my girls latest by 6.30am but usually they are up between 5.30-6am. That way my 8mth old is ready for a nap at 8-8.15am ish and will sleep till 9-9.30am ish. I will wake her up at 9.30 as thats when we usually head out for an activity etc

    So our day looks like

    DD1 and DD2 wake at 5.30-6am. DD2 bf
    both girls Breakfast at 6.30-7am ish
    DD2 naps 8-8.15-9-9.30am - usually 1-1.5hrs. But up latest 9.30am.
    Morning tea around 10am/bf for dd2 (this is usually in an activity ie library/playgroup/park/shops etc)
    lunch 11.30am
    Both girls sleep 12/12.30-2.30pm. Again I have to wake dd1 as then she wont sleep in the evening at the right time ish.
    afternoon tea for both 3pm (usually in an activity - park/playdate etc)
    bf for dd2 at 4pm
    dinner for both at 5pm
    bf for dd2 at 6pm
    bath for dd2 6.15pm
    bed for dd2 at 6.30pm
    dd1 bath bed 7.30pm.

    our evenings are more rigid as I usually am doing the bed/bath by myself as DH is often away... but you can be more flexible as you need to be.

    have you got a good 'nap wind down' routine? I usually change bum and pop in her cot for a few min to acquaint her with it, then wrap her up in a cot sheet (arms free) and feed to drowsy, pop in cot and pat bum saying 'nigh nigh'. i've recently introduced a dummy as DD2 is a sucky baby and now can find it in her cot if she loses it.

    it appears your bubba is having 3x 45min naps. Are YOU ok with it? some babies are just catnappers and its IMO a PIA to keep resettling. I usually let it go and they eventually outgrow it when they move to 1-2 solid sleeps a day.

    whats the night sleep like? its still normal for your bubba to feed overnight. remember that bm has those lovely sleepy hormones that help bubbas sleep when their gums are hurting them. Is bubba just comfort suckling or actually feeding?

    I'm fine with her having such short naps, i'm just more concerned for her. I know not all babies are the same, but I feel she would benefit a little more from more day sleep.

    She falls asleep in my arms, and we have the same routine for nap times as we do night time.
    She shows tired signs, we get her ball, dummy, bottle (she self weaned from breastfeeding) and we sit on my bed, cuddle up and feed to sleep in a dully lit room. at night it's dinner, bath, story, cuddle up and bottle.
    Most of the time I still have to walk her around the room to burp/lull her to sleep.


    Her night sleeps are no where near what they used to be. she used to sleep through from 8pm until 4am for a feed then back to sleep until 8 or 9 am.

    Since teething she'll wake up to 3-5 times a night, not always for a feed, mostly for cuddles, and thats when we bring her into our bed because settling and putting her back in her cot doesn't work.

    at this stage we are just worried about her and will do whatever it takes to get her to have a better sleep at night more than anything.

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    dd1 was shocking from 6-7mths till 8-9mths old. feeding 1-2hrly overnight and I was losing my mind.

    she ended up cutting 16 teeth by the time she was 14mths old so I guess she was allowed to be a bit cranky. there is an 8mth sleep regression so you can either ride it out (as we did) or take more drastic steps.

    the no cry sleep solution was brilliant for us. good luck!

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    I found how long/well bub slept during the day and at night was closely dependent on:
    - how many hours sleep was appropriate for bubs age (are our expectations too high/low?)
    - what was the average awake time (for bubs age) between day naps (too little and bub may only sleep one cycle)
    - what was the average length of day naps (Are our expectations too high/low? At age mostly.... 40 minute naps could be sign bub bub needs help settling between cycles and/or isn't tired enough).

    I'd research the averages. Of course each bub is going to be different and you may have to tweak things slightly. But looking up the averages can give you a good idea of where to start and if you are roughly off base.

    If bubs naps are timed for when they are tired enough (but not too tired) they are likely to sleep longer during the day. And if bubs day naps are timed roughly right and are the right duration bub is likely to sleep longer at night.

    I have to be honest here I follow the 'Save our Sleep' book which you often get vilified on BH for. For me it took a lot of the guess work out of nap time. I'm not recommending you follow it, or follow a strict routine. Just looking up the average requirements, combining that with your gut instinct and do what works for you .

    - to answer your question it took a couple of weeks for my bub to move from go with the flow to more of a routine. But my bub was younger so it may have been easier.

    Good luck.

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    thanks ladies.

    we have the no cry sleep solution, hubby is reading it at the moment.

    I watch her closely for her sleepy signs and act as soon as I can if we're home.

    she used to sleep ok if in our bed but she's starting to have poor sleep in there too.

    I don't have any unrealistic expectations of her sleep, I know every baby is different. Dh and I were non sleepers as babies.
    I just want to do whatever I can to help dd sleep enough so she can grow and rest

    I can sleep when she's older


 

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