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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttermilk View Post
    This was good advice. All true, I'm not sure why people were upset with this?
    I had the same thoughts, no way I would give formula, breast or nothing ...
    So if it came to it you were prepared to risk or even compromise your baby's health or your mental health instead of giving your baby a bottle of formula?

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    there's another option that isd seems has been missed. donated breastmilk. The world health recommends it above formula. the hard part is getting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    I would not worry before bubs even comes, you can only do your best
    I would worry about it before bubs comes TBH.

    My mum is a lactation consultant and she gave me this awesome book on BF. It's very thorough as its the bible for LC studies. I have read the important parts to me once and planned to read it again before the birth.
    DH has also read it.

    I think it's better to have some good knowledge before you are all exhausted, hormonal and emotional with a crying baby in your arms

    Also it is good to expect that it won't be a walk in the park and that it will take ALL your time in the first weeks.

    Mum always tells me that Day 3 is the worse so that Im prepared (the high from the birth wears off, you have usually not slept much, milk is coming in, baby gets very hungry)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Bec~ View Post
    So if it came to it you were prepared to risk or even compromise your baby's health or your mental health instead of giving your baby a bottle of formula?
    For MY family - yes.

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    I don't mean it that way lili, I mean, don't go in thinking it is going to be hard and that you might not be able to do it. Go to the ABA courses, read books, read up online, talk to breastfeeding friends about how to get through the tough bits. That is all I meant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lili81 View Post
    I would worry about it before bubs comes TBH.

    My mum is a lactation consultant and she gave me this awesome book on BF. It's very thorough as its the bible for LC studies. I have read the important parts to me once and planned to read it again before the birth.
    DH has also read it.

    I think it's better to have some good knowledge before you are all exhausted, hormonal and emotional with a crying baby in your arms

    Also it is good to expect that it won't be a walk in the park and that it will take ALL your time in the first weeks.

    Mum always tells me that Day 3 is the worse so that Im prepared (the high from the birth wears off, you have usually not slept much, milk is coming in, baby gets very hungry)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia View Post
    For MY family - yes.
    No you wouldn't. I will say with a hundred % positivity, that if you had lactose intolerant baby, or had your breasts removed due to cancer, then you would seek other ways to feed your baby. Of course you would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggermum View Post
    there's another option that isd seems has been missed. donated breastmilk. The world health recommends it above formula. the hard part is getting it.
    Very hard to get. If we had milk banks like they do in Europe, it would save a lot of women a lot of trauma with regards to not being able to breastfeed and with regards to not being able to bring themselves to use formula.

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    Thanks Vic park and buttermilk.

    Im sorry of i upset people - that was not my intention. But that is was my mindset and what happened so I was just retailing a story. And I'm not apologizing for having a positive bf experience with both my girls.

    It would have been so easy to ask for formula in those first few days with dd1. I was a freaking mess and my dh blunt words worked and I'm forever grateful to him. How many dh/dp know about bf? Mine did. He knew that babies feed lots and was my spine since mine was MIA.

    It would have been much easier to offer a dummy. But we both knew that was not conducive to bf longterm if we started at birth.

    I did have a large bleed PN but luckily didn't need a transfusion.

    Yes for my girls it's bm or nothing. When dd2 was in PICU as a newborn - I was pumping hourly as my supply tanked from stress. I was just managing to keep up with her when he suggested i go home to sleep after the third day and she could have had a bottle. I refused and said that she could have an IV line for fluids and bm - mine or donor bm. I was refused.

    He was so bloody rude and condescending - I'll never forget that. I immediately asked for another doctor.

    I could have given up bf then - there was bloody no support from the doctors. Dd2 didn't feed from my boob for nearly 2 wks. I was so afraid she would not attach again. It was like a newborn again. Only one nurse used to put dd2 on me so I would have more luck expressing.

    New mothers who WANT to bf need to know about BF and their partners need to know. A friend gave birth at the RBWH - her son lost 190gm in those first few days and she was bullied into formula cos she had no milk. It was day 2 for crikeys sake!!! Dd1 lost 450gms!!! And it was ok as both my Paed and ob knew it was within normal as did dh and I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia View Post
    Thanks Vic park and buttermilk.

    Im sorry of i upset people - that was not my intention. But that is was my mindset and what happened so I was just retailing a story. And I'm not apologizing for having a positive bf experience with both my girls.

    It would have been so easy to ask for formula in those first few days with dd1. I was a freaking mess and my dh blunt words worked and I'm forever grateful to him. How many dh/dp know about bf? Mine did. He knew that babies feed lots and was my spine since mine was MIA.

    It would have been much easier to offer a dummy. But we both knew that was not conducive to bf longterm if we started at birth.

    I did have a large bleed PN but luckily didn't need a transfusion.

    Yes for my girls it's bm or nothing. When dd2 was in PICU as a newborn - I was pumping hourly as my supply tanked from stress. I was just managing to keep up with her when he suggested i go home to sleep after the third day and she could have had a bottle. I refused and said that she could have an IV line for fluids and bm - mine or donor bm. I was refused.

    He was so bloody rude and condescending - I'll never forget that. I immediately asked for another doctor.

    I could have given up bf then - there was bloody no support from the doctors. Dd2 didn't feed from my boob for nearly 2 wks. I was so afraid she would not attach again. It was like a newborn again. Only one nurse used to put dd2 on me so I would have more luck expressing.

    New mothers who WANT to bf need to know about BF and their partners need to know. A friend gave birth at the RBWH - her son lost 190gm in those first few days and she was bullied into formula cos she had no milk. It was day 2 for crikeys sake!!! Dd1 lost 450gms!!! And it was ok as both my Paed and ob knew it was within normal as did dh and I.
    So if it wasn't for your husband, you would have succumbed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    No you wouldn't. I will say with a hundred % positivity, that if you had lactose intolerant baby, or had your breasts removed due to cancer, then you would seek other ways to feed your baby. Of course you would.
    I think we are all talking about breastfeeding issues, if I have breasts and my baby can tolerate my milk without serious issues then I would have kept feeding. No one is saying they would leave their baby to die, that is just ridiculous. Formula for some people is the last option not the first.

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Bec~ View Post
    So if it came to it you were prepared to risk or even compromise your baby's health or your mental health instead of giving your baby a bottle of formula?
    No I would never compromise my babies health, I took advice and guidance by a lactation consultant in the hospital. Newborns can go without a first feed for 48hours and my lc was fine with me to keep trying for that time without giving formula, formula was not on the table.
    My baby didn't latch at all, refused, I persisted all day/night for a couple of days till she did and finally she did. I couldn't express at all so I could only rely on baby to latch and bring it out. She vomited her first feed actually but it was fine, after that we kept going. I had alot of issues but I took each one at a time and overcame them (with alot of help and tears)
    If I couldn't breastfeed I would have given donated bm, there are many women in breastfeeding circles who are happy to donate. Breastmilk *to me* is the most important thing for a newborn, the only thing they need or I could give them, so I would have moved heaven and earth to have my children have it. If I couldn't give it I'd find someone who could.

    Determination is just that, its not a bad word, I'm not saying anyones issues weren't bad, but most can be overcome if you have the sheer determination to keep bfeeding. It's ok to say I couldn't, I was suffering and I had to give formula. I understand. But not all women will feel the same when/if they have the same issues. No one has to explain themselves as to why they gave formula, but saying 'if you had my issue you wouldn't' isn't right because you don't know what women will do to give breastmilk.
    I have friends who persisted when people/professionals were telling them it's impossible with this issue or that issue. But if you are determined you can.
    I have a friend who had a baby in nicu and couldn't bf, she pumped day/night to bring in her milk, the hospital staff gave it through a tube. When the baby came home and wasn't feeding because they hadn't actually started their bf relationship she gave donated milk until they worked through their issues. She went onto to feed until her baby was 2.
    That to me is determination, it's not something everyone can do, but there are very rare issues that make breastfeeding impossible. People who adopt children can do it. I don't think anyone compromises their babies health to do it when the odds are against them.

    There were many times I didn't enjoy breastfeeding, it made me feel sick, depressed, I couldn't take meds I needed I wanted my baby to keep feeding and put my health on hold for a few months. I survived because it was too important *to me* to not keep going, I felt breastmilk was the only thing I could give and a few short months of suffering *for me* was worth it. It never came easy for me both times, I never enjoyed it, but I did it for them and I think it was worth it. There weren't many things that would have detered me.

    And I'm not saying everyone should be the same or could do what I did or what someone else did. But I refuse the scenarios where I'm told it's impossible because to me the impossible is pretty rare. If I listed to gp's, mchn's, friends, family I wouldn't have breastfed at all, my determination and great advice by a professional kept us going.

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