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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    I still don't really understand why it bothers people if kids do RE at a religious school.
    I didn't think anyone was? I thought the issue was RE in public schools.

    Surely it's common sense that if you enrol your child in a private religious school with "Christian" "Catholic" "Anglican" "Islamic" in the schools name then it's pretty obvious there's going to religious education involve;?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wannawannabe View Post
    I didn't think anyone was? I thought the issue was RE in public schools.

    Surely it's common sense that if you enrol your child in a private religious school with "Christian" "Catholic" "Anglican" "Islamic" in the schools name then it's pretty obvious there's going to religious education involve;?
    The pp i was responding to said there should be no RE at all in primary school (state or otherwise).
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    Default I am so angry... (Religion in schools)

    "Confession" is a loaded gun, and is based on the assumption we are constantly doing the wrong thing all the time that we need to confess about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaShanty View Post
    The fact is that even if our young children have been exposed to a message we don't like (be it certain religious teachings or even rubbish in the playground that's come from other kids - and we've all experienced that...), WE CAN SET THEM STRAIGHT AT HOME.
    I don't think it is that easy. A person of *authority* (as the re teacher would be perceived) has stood in front of the class and presented this information as fact, just as the math teacher does. It is confusing for a small child to be told some of what they are taught at a young age is concrete, and some is not. I would just prefer to have my wishes as a parent respected, my child not attend a class about something that I am going to have to undo. Seems a waste of time to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wannawannabe View Post
    I didn't think anyone was? I thought the issue was RE in public schools.

    Surely it's common sense that if you enrol your child in a private religious school with "Christian" "Catholic" "Anglican" "Islamic" in the schools name then it's pretty obvious there's going to religious education involve;?
    Yes that was me. I obviously know religious schools have RE as a subject. But (without repeating myself) I think it's a waste of time to do at school, I think the time can be spent doing other more important subjects at school and religion can be taught at home or in church/church group. I don't think its a necessity at school at all, by doing so you are forcing a child to have to listen and learn therefore forcing religion onto them. I remember doing RE in year 12 and everyone felt they could have been studying during that time or doing something more important than listening to the re teachers interpretation of the bible. It didn't form part of my school score in the end, it didn't help me get into uni, I had no interest in religious education. I think students can go to a night school if it interests them that much, but school hours 9-3 should be for subjects that they need for uni/jobs.
    I also don't believe children in primary school fully understand scripture, I think they can learn the basic stories and basic meanings (all that can be taught at home) but ultimately no one embarces religion fully until they are old enough to understand it and ask questions, I think this starts when you're a teenager.

    Religion for children should be up to the parents while their minds are young and vulnerable, especially a religion that has so many interpretations, I wouldn't trust anyone teaching my children their faith and beliefs. I would want to be the only one with such an influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    I still don't really understand why it bothers people if kids do RE at a religious school. I dislike intensely many aspects of RE but the bible exists and I appreciated that for a few years of my life I learned about it. My mother is agnostic and challenged much if what I was told in school. Maybe I was lucky as I didn't take it all as "gospel" truth.
    It bothers me because I don't believe children should be taught any religion as fact, I am of the belief that to teach children religion as fact is indoctrination whether this occurs in public or private schools. I don't think that because parents are of a particular faith that that gives them the right to indoctrinate those beliefs onto their children. In my perfect world there would be no private schools, just quality public ones that do not teach religion as fact but I realise that my version of utopia is somewhat of a fantasy. I am of the opinion that just because a person has a child doesn't mean they have the authority to coerce the child's brain into thinking a certain way that will affect their entire world view, just as they don't have the right to tattoo their child.

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    I'm a Christian so of course I wouldn't mind my kids being taught about the bible. I think there is a lot of value in it for some kids, some may find comfort in God if they are feeling lonely and unheard etc, but that's my personal view.

    I do however, have a problem with RE being forced on families who clearly don't want their kids being taught about Christianity. Sassy, I think that's the issue here. You have the right to chose what your child is exposed to and you have made it clear that you don't want her attending RE classes.I would definitely have a chat to the teacher and maybe even put something in writing, something traceable like an email. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttermilk View Post
    Yes that was me. I obviously know religious schools have RE as a subject. But (without repeating myself) I think it's a waste of time to do at school, I think the time can be spent doing other more important subjects at school and religion can be taught at home or in church/church group. I don't think its a necessity at school at all, by doing so you are forcing a child to have to listen and learn therefore forcing religion onto them. I remember doing RE in year 12 and everyone felt they could have been studying during that time or doing something more important than listening to the re teachers interpretation of the bible. It didn't form part of my school score in the end, it didn't help me get into uni, I had no interest in religious education. I think students can go to a night school if it interests them that much, but school hours 9-3 should be for subjects that they need for uni/jobs.
    I also don't believe children in primary school fully understand scripture, I think they can learn the basic stories and basic meanings (all that can be taught at home) but ultimately no one embarces religion fully until they are old enough to understand it and ask questions, I think this starts when you're a teenager.

    Religion for children should be up to the parents while their minds are young and vulnerable, especially a religion that has so many interpretations, I wouldn't trust anyone teaching my children their faith and beliefs. I would want to be the only one with such an influence.
    But there are parents and other people that do disagree with you and hence send their kids to private religious schools because they want their children to learn about their faith/culture and religion as part of their education. I would like the school to teach my kids their subjects as per the moral creeds of our faith. To teach care, compassion, charity as part of life etc.


    Quote Originally Posted by ~Bec~ View Post
    It bothers me because I don't believe children should be taught any religion as fact, I am of the belief that to teach children religion as fact is indoctrination whether this occurs in public or private schools. I don't think that because parents are of a particular faith that that gives them the right to indoctrinate those beliefs onto their children. In my perfect world there would be no private schools, just quality public ones that do not teach religion as fact but I realise that my version of utopia is somewhat of a fantasy. I am of the opinion that just because a person has a child doesn't mean they have the authority to coerce the child's brain into thinking a certain way that will affect their entire world view, just as they don't have the right to tattoo their child.
    I would never force a child to learn about God whose parents are athiest/agnostic. I would like it if other people respect my wishes as a parent. If its important to me to raise my child/ren a certain way then why should it bother you? or anyone else? You raising your children as atheists is your choice. It in no way effects how I raise mine. I dont understand why it should bother you.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1+1=5 View Post
    I'm a Christian so of course I wouldn't mind my kids being taught about the bible. I think there is a lot of value in it for some kids, some may find comfort in God if they are feeling lonely and unheard etc, but that's my personal view.

    I do however, have a problem with RE being forced on families who clearly don't want their kids being taught about Christianity. Sassy, I think that's the issue here. You have the right to chose what your child is exposed to and you have made it clear that you don't want her attending RE classes.I would definitely have a chat to the teacher and maybe even put something in writing, something traceable like an email. Good luck.
    perfectly said!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia View Post
    I would never force a child to learn about God whose parents are athiest/agnostic. I would like it if other people respect my wishes as a parent. If its important to me to raise my child/ren a certain way then why should it bother you? or anyone else? You raising your children as atheists is your choice. It in no way effects how I raise mine. I dont understand why it should bother you.
    I am not raising my child to be an atheist, absolutely not. I am raising my child to not be indoctrinated into any religion or the lack of religion - at this stage they have no concept of religion (they are only 5 and 2). We are raising them to be free to choose a religion as they wish or chose the option of no religion with the critical skills required that can only be possessed by some life maturity to make an informed choice.

    I was thinking about this just before - I would be thrilled if at some point my child wanted to explore religion or follow a particular faith because it would mean they have come to that decision on their own and not been lead by us. We do not want our children to be atheist because we are atheist, absolutely, no way!!

    ETA: My 5 year old has had a significant speech delay which has affected his understanding of some major concepts. He would be thoroughly confused if I started talking to him about religion at this point. I'll talk to him as objectively as possible when he initiates the conversation.
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    Default Re: I am so angry... (Religion in schools)

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Bec~ View Post
    I am not raising my child to be an atheist, absolutely not. I am raising my child to not be indoctrinated into any religion or the lack of religion - at this stage they have no concept of religion (they are only 5 and 2). We are raising them to be free to choose a religion as they wish or chose the option of no religion with the critical skills required that can only be possessed by some life maturity to make an informed choice.

    I was thinking about this just before - I would be thrilled if at some point my child wanted to explore religion or follow a particular faith because it would mean they have come to that decision on their own and not been lead by us. We do not want our children to be atheist because we are atheist, absolutely, no way!!

    ETA: My 5 year old has had a significant speech delay which has affected his understanding of some major concepts. He would be thoroughly confused if I started talking to him about religion at this point. I'll talk to him as objectively as possible when he initiates the conversation.
    I think this is the view for most atheist parents


 

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