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    I do believe in unborn babies having rights, especially once they are at a gestation where their lives are viable outside of the womb. By this stage a woman has chosen to proceed with the pregnancy and with that choice there should be some obligations to the child they are carrying, just as there is to any children we have in our care.

    I don't think it'd be unreasonable to have a facility where mothers can receive treatment and support during their pregnancies, full time, working with the goal to a) produce a healthy child, b) improve the mother's life, c) possibly create a situation where that mother can care for her child effectively once born.

    I too think enforcing it is a slippery slope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlemissellie View Post
    Maybe when u are seriously endangering anothers life?

    Eta - i dont agree with locking up i dont think, but can see both sides here.

    Interesting discussion



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    Sure. Some would agree one drink a day is seriously endangering a baby's life, while others would say otherwise (more or less).

    It is interesting. I do think my cousin should have been locked up in rehab facility during her pregnancy though, but her situation was clear cut and she had a history of mental illness and destructive behaviour.

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    the union says the rights of an unborn child should be considered ahead of the mother
    I couldn't disagree more with this.

    So, as the laws stand, people who assault pregnant women cannot be charged with harm to the fetus, only the woman. Yet some want to see a fetus be 'considered ahead of' a mother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the girls mum View Post
    No it might not be the worst outcome, but who decides? At what point/at what level of your problem behaviour would you be deemed 'lock-upable'? (Assuming you're honest and up-front regarding your own addiction that is)

    Sorry about the bolding and copying and pasting but for some reason my computer wont let me quote or multi quote...

    Perhaps if the person is not in the right frame of mind too decide - its at that point - if they are completely consumed by their addiction? When do you become lock-upable? Perhaps after you continue to harm your unborn baby by excessive drinking or drug usage?


    Im wondering if locking someone up violates the bodily autonomy theory... Because I wholeheartedly support the bodily autonomy argument too. Slippery slope indeed.

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    Default Re: Lock up risk-taking mothers

    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    I couldn't disagree more with this.

    So, as the laws stand, people who assault pregnant women cannot be charged with harm to the fetus, only the woman. Yet some want to see a fetus be 'considered ahead of' a mother?
    I dont think a fetus should have 'zero' rights tho either.

    Its such a difficult topic.

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    Default Re: Lock up risk-taking mothers

    I wonder how far it would go? Being a vegetarian through out my pregnancy i was told quite often i was doing the wrong thing and putting my baby at risk of a low birth weight and a multitude of problems despite having perfect blood results
    If this were to come in, would a vegetarian be locked up so their diet could be monitored?
    What about young mothers? They are often lumped into the 'at risk' catergory so would they also be locked up?
    I could see it starting with the drug addicts and likes but how far would it go? Who will get to determine what constitutes 'at risk'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlemissellie View Post
    I dont think a fetus should have 'zero' rights tho either.
    Problem is, then we head into dangerous territory when it comes to terminating pregnancies.

    Totally agree that it's a difficult topic to discuss and even think about. My heart breaks for the babies just as much as any body else's

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    Quote Originally Posted by the girls mum View Post

    Perhaps if the person is not in the right frame of mind too decide - its at that point - if they are completely consumed by their addiction? When do you become lock-upable? Perhaps after you continue to harm your unborn baby by excessive drinking or drug usage?
    This is my point. Rather than giving wide powers to police if the mental health tribunal's powers were broadened to give them a power to hear cases where impending parenthood (mother or father) was an additional circumstance for it to take into consideration in whether or not to hospitalise someone. It wouldn't apply to a lot of the cases contemplated in the article but to genuine mental health cases supported by medical examination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    I couldn't disagree more with this.

    So, as the laws stand, people who assault pregnant women cannot be charged with harm to the fetus, only the woman. Yet some want to see a fetus be 'considered ahead of' a mother?
    I think they can now be in Qld.

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    As far as I'm aware and personal experience you can't be 'locked up in rehab' I don't think we have that here (although I hear about it in America) Jail provides rehab programs, but all rehabs all voluntary.
    Most rehabs also cost alot of money and are private so you need money to get in. The ones run by the Salvos are free but very very limited to long time users and people who have been in and out of jail for a long time.
    There is little available options for education and rehab in this country and if they do spend money on it it needs to be available to all people, not just those who are pregnant.


 

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