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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovemyfam View Post
    Ok using your example if a woman is harming her baby by a eating disorder and it will affect the baby like drugs and alcohol and she is told how to stop it and offered help and doesnt take it then sure the baby should be removed why is it ok for the mother to damage another human just because she is a female? Anyone that knowingly harm a unborn baby even though doctors tell you how to stop it.



    She had many chances even the choice to go to a group home for pregnant teens finish her education and have financial help. She didnt care




    Not hard to understand what I dont understand is that people are not willing to punish people who have a baby they dont want and refuse to make sure that the baby doesnt get born shaking and having seizures and life long problems because they cant take steps to not have this happen even if it means abortion that is a better option than being fed drugs for 9 months
    That is where there is a grey area with the logistics of forced intention someone that is diagnosed with anorexia is deemed to be unable to make sound decisions in regards to there health and there for male or female pregnant or not can already be forced into medical and phcyciatric care because anorexia is seen as a phcyciatric and medical illness that is endangering their own life. Drug addiction in the eyes of the law is not seen as an illness even if the person taking drugs is mentally ill so there for unlike eating disorder patients an addict can not be sectioned against their will because they are not deemed legally to be incapable of making sound choices

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovemyfam View Post
    Ok using your example if a woman is harming her baby by a eating disorder and it will affect the baby like drugs and alcohol and she is told how to stop it and offered help and doesnt take it then sure the baby should be removed why is it ok for the mother to damage another human just because she is a female? Anyone that knowingly harm a unborn baby even though doctors tell you how to stop it.


    All this shows is that you have limited understanding of the issue then. You think a doctor can just 'tell you to
    Stop' easy as that?

    You think mothers should lose rights to their children because of an eating disorder too? If bub is all good when born you don't think that mum can be a good mum even though she struggles with an extremely complex disorder?

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    I think the largest issue here isn't whether or not people should go to rehab, if they have addiction problems (yes, you can even put a lot of eating disorders in that category too), also include here mental health like depression and anxiety, then I think it goes without saying they need to get help.

    The biggest problem is that there aren't the facilities available for people with these sort of problems. We can sit here and argue till we're blue in the face whether someone should be forced to go to rehab, but until there are places available, the arguements mean nothing.

    Whilst the laws state that you can get someone into treatment if they are at risk of harming themselves or someone else, it's pretty darned hard to prove. And the person has to display some pretty high end range behaviours. The problem is that by the time they display these behaviours, they have harmed the people around them (and this would include an unborn baby) unimaginably. By the way, I'm talking emotional, financial, or physical or whatever abuse.

    If someone has a mental health disorder - the treatment places are usually equipped to help deal with this too, as a huge number of the people who have addictions also have mental health disorders.

    What we should be arguing here is how do we get more facilities, as the other arguement is moot until the first point is solved
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    Totally agree P that is the sad truth if it there is way more addicts than there are treatment facilities and many of them are private costly ones so unless you have a family or friend willing to foot the bill it is out of reach for most.

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    When I was looking to help someone - the best one seemed to be $18000 for 8weeks (then follow up for the next 12months - who has $18k upfront?

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    Yerp it's very expensive and not garnered to work, they also have to want to get and stay clean its a hard road

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    I agree, I was looking to get a family member into rehab, the private ones were far too expensive and the public ones had waiting list that went on for years. All of this for a much loved family member who doesn't want to go to rehab in the first place.

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    I think we can all agree that more needs to be done. There is not enough available.

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    All this shows is that you have limited understanding of the issue then. You think a doctor can just 'tell you to
    Stop' easy as that?

    You think mothers should lose rights to their children because of an eating disorder too? If bub is all good when born you don't think that mum can be a good mum even though she struggles with an extremely complex disorder?
    I believe that mum would be a MUCH better mum if she didn't have an eating disorder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I believe that mum would be a MUCH better mum if she didn't have an eating disorder.
    We'd all be much better mums if we didn't have all the issues that we ALL have. And when I say that, I am most definitely including mothers who bring their children up with a complete lack of empathy for others, and a complete lack of understanding about various issues many people face in life, such as addiction, mental health issues, the need to seek asylum, being a victim of racism, or a victim of many types of trauma etc.

    I think compassion is one of the most important virtues we can teach our kids, and mothers who lack this virtue would be MUCH better mothers if they could learn it.
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