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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    I don't believe people should be able to do illegal things while pregnant, just the same as a non-pregnant person is not allowed to do illegal things. I do not believe pregnancy should prevent you from having the same rights as everyone else.

    ie. if we are going to make rehab compulsory, make is so for everyone. If we are going to make alcohol illegal make it so for everyone.
    Good points. But funding is limited and IMO rehab $$$ should be a priority for those where an innocent life is in immediate danger (ie preggers women).

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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    ie. if we are going to make rehab compulsory, make is so for everyone.
    I don't follow this. Any talk of rehab as I understand it has been in the circumstance where there is an ability to detain under mental health grounds. Why would everyone go to rehab in that case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    I realize it doesn't extend to every aspect of our lives but when it comes to reproduction (not wanting to slap the salami in public!) I believe women should have bodily autonomy.

    Re: bolded part, I can vouch for this happening to pregnant women too, forced cs and inductions. I realize these women may of had a mental illness but yeah I don't believe for one minute that this would not be used against a woman planning a 'high risk' birth.

    Sorry for any mistakes there, wiggly toddler in my lap
    I don't know if we're talking about the same thing (if we ever were). I am limiting my comments to mental health cases heard by a mental health tribunal as the law currently stands, not the law proposed in the OP.

    I cannot see how the current mental health laws could ever be applied to a woman having a high risk pregnancy??

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    I think what she is saying, is if D&A is a major issue, make it that ALL people must have compulsory rehab, not just pg women. Bc as it stands with what they are suggesting, it IS being dictated purely on being pg...

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    How would they even police this? Drug test all pregnant women?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    I don't follow this. Any talk of rehab as I understand it has been in the circumstance where there is an ability to detain under mental health grounds. Why would everyone go to rehab in that case?
    Sorry your confusing me? Does this explain it better?

    I think if your going to send people to rehab for addictions under the mental health act than it should be everyone who is mentally ill and addicted to xyz not just pregnant women? I'm not saying pregnant women should be excluded but they should not be the only ones included..

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    But *I think* she is saying they already are. Under the mental health act you can be put in a facility and administered treatment against your will. So you don't have body autonomy (sp) and this can be extended to a pregnant addict. An addict can be considered mentally ill because of her addiction and apply the mental health laws.
    Well that's what I'm getting from it. No one has complete bodily autonomy, so being pregnant shouldn't be the reason you do either (kinda saying the opposite) just because you're pregnant.
    And I agree, a pregnant woman should be taken priority because she is affecting another life in her body, and this life can have serious complications for the rest of their life. 10 weeks of intervention for the sake of that babies life and life long health is more important than her right to do whatever she wants like take drugs.

    I think what people fear most is their rights to abortion and forced medical treatments while pregnant hence the slippery slpe comments. But I still disagree that it will open the doors to this sort of thing (as I've explained in my earlier posts)

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    That's what I have said? I don't think anyone has said it shouldn't happen just that it should not be restricted to pregnant women?

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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    I think if your going to send people to rehab for addictions under the mental health act than it should be everyone who is mentally ill and addicted to xyz not just pregnant women? I'm not saying pregnant women should be excluded but they should not be the only ones included..
    Yes this is what I am saying. If a woman has a mental illness and a D or A problem and is also pregnant then these are all factors which should be considered in relation to her rehabilitation. Currently as it stands this is not the case.

    why I was confused is I asked a few pages back:

    "What if she has a mental health issue as well as a D or A addiction? What if it was your sister, she was bipolar, off her meds, killing herself with alcohol and pregnant? Isn't her right to have the best chance to have a sane, happy life?" (bolding added)

    Onionskin responded: "Her rights as the one who carries the baby, must always come first. I don't always like what that involves, but it must always be the mother that comes first.

    Bodily autonomy is paramount. Always."

    You agreed.

    So I then asked "if she would otherwise be detained but is pregnant does that mean by this logic she shouldn't be detained". I didn't get a reply.

    This is why I am confused as the responses seem to put bodily autonomy above everything else. I am simply saying in the case of mental health it is part of the issue but not the only one.

    I would live for the day a person with a mental health issue and a D or A addiction could be removed into rehab (as an alternative to death) so I agree it would apply to all people in that situation (pregnant or otherwise).

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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    That's what I have said? I don't think anyone has said it shouldn't happen just that it should not be restricted to pregnant women?
    I have never said it should only apply to pregnant women. Like I said I don't think we've ever been on the same page on this.


 

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