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    Default Lock up risk-taking mothers

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/par...-1226573097160

    Half the women I look after don't show up to antenatal appointments at the moment because they're afraid we're going to take the other kids off them etc because of their "risk-taking" behavior. All this is going to do is drive the most vulnerable and disadvantaged women who should be seeking medical care during their pregnancies (co-existing illnesses, previous poor outcomes, drugs, alcohol and tobacco use which puts the baby at an increased risk of needing medical treatment once born) underground where they will be too afraid to seek medical care because they don't want to be locked up and controlled.


    Where do you draw the line at the risk taking anyway?

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    If DOCS can remove a child from the mothers care at birth because of drug addiction etc why is intervention such a bad idea? I don't think locking them up is such a good idea but more support for these mums to be is certainly needed.

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    I think that deciding risk taking is subjective. It depends who is deciding the risk taking behaviours. For some it's just smoking and alcohol consumption that would qualify. But for others it could include driving or sitting in the front passenger seat, lettuce, medication and caesarians. Can you imagine a world where the womens rights/wishes are ignored just cos they are pregnant?

    I disagree with this completely.

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    Default Lock up risk-taking mothers

    Quote Originally Posted by wannawannabe View Post
    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/par...-1226573097160

    Half the women I look after don't show up to antenatal appointments at the moment because they're afraid we're going to take the other kids off them etc because of their "risk-taking" behavior. All this is going to do is drive the most vulnerable and disadvantaged women who should be seeking medical care during their pregnancies (co-existing illnesses, previous poor outcomes, drugs, alcohol and tobacco use which puts the baby at an increased risk of needing medical treatment once born) underground where they will be too afraid to seek medical care because they don't want to be locked up and controlled.


    Where do you draw the line at the risk taking anyway?
    If a pregnant lady is genuinely taking part in risky behavior (drugs, getting blotto etc) then attending an antenatal appointment where they might have to pee in a cup won't help. Intervention will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia View Post
    I think that deciding risk taking is subjective. It depends who is deciding the risk taking behaviours. For some it's just smoking and alcohol consumption that would qualify. But for others it could include driving or sitting in the front passenger seat, lettuce, medication and caesarians. Can you imagine a world where the womens rights/wishes are ignored just cos they are pregnant?

    I disagree with this completely.
    I am assuming before this ever gets off the ground there would be strict guidelines/laws in place. Fear of being incarcerated for eating lettuce or having a c-section is overdramatic and shouldn't be used as a reason to hold up a tightly worded law designed to intervene with druggies and drunkards.

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    Sounds like a slippery slope to me :/

    I might not agree with some risky behaviours. There are some things that I look at and think I could NEVER put my child through that. But once we start putting rules on what a woman can and can't do where will it end?

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    They're not talking about doing it for no reason, they're talking about extreme cases where the unborn child either is or is at risk of having serious harm caused to them bu their mothers actions. So often I've seen people use excessive amounts of alcohol or drugs which causes huge effects on the unborn child & many of which can't then handle looking after them due to their high medical needs. It's sad for the poor child who has no say or control in the matter & has to then suffer the consequences. I believe this would only happen in extreme cases & would only be until the child is born & ok. Who cares if they choose to use drugs & alcohol after the baby's born (I'm sure they'll put support services in place to help mum) but it's the baby that has a right to be safe & not having to be detoxed (heartbreaking to see) when born.

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    Knowing someone who works for DOCS ... The stuff she has to deal with ... Those poor kids unborn or born ... If it is something so damaging and dangerous to a baby / child .. Well more needs to be done .. It's not about education with some of these people .. Some are just pure pure pure evil !!!!!! The most evil and horrible stuff you can imagine is happening ( especially in western Sydney )

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    I just dont understand the education aspect. I mean are we honestly saying that women dont know that shooting up or getting on the mash is bad for the baby?

    There's only so much education you can offer and I don't really think you can help someone who doesn't want to be helped.

    So.I dont know, maybe in some extreme cases a safe house or half way house is the only option.

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    I will never ever be ok with the unborn being put ahead of the mother, ever. This is not Texas (thank god).

    Some people don't deserve to be parents, I get that, some people are so horrible. But if you bring in laws like that where and when does it stop? Potentially it could affect every mother, what someone might consider low risk, they might consider high risk. At the end of the day, bodily autonomy is too important to lose.

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