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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberleygal1 View Post
    I live in a town that has a detention centre, the towns people get updates re the happenings of the centre including how many are out there, how many have been or will be processed and released into the town etc, we get invited to meetings and a regular newsletter is distributed.
    It's common knowledge that the detention centre is far from a gaol scenario. Not only do they have everything from tv's, game players nintendos and all that sort of thing including egyptian cotton sheets (they actually went on strike once because they didn't have egyptian cotton sheets so they now do) they are free to roam the large premises as they wish, they aren't locked in their lovely rooms, they have a soccer field, they are taken on regular excursions up the Gibb river rd to see tourist attractions (some locals don't get to venture up there) and they go on day trips to Broome. They also utilise the town swimming pool for a few hours at least 3 days a week (I along with many other mums avoid it at these times as the stares are very uncomfortable). The guards aren't armed at all and there is in fact only 3 guards to about 30 detainees. Some have alot of money on them when they arrive in Australia, in fact it costs them alot of money to get on a boat to come here. They are given a daily allowance whilst in detention. And if they get status they get given a fully furnished house and a bulk payment to get them started and they go straight onto welfare.
    I'm sure there is a little truth stretching going on, but assuming this is all true what is it you object to?

    All I see is people who have not been convicted of any crime being offered little more than the basics of life TVs, sheets, allowed outside..... Wow sign me up sounds like luxury . If they are found to be genuine of course we have a responsibility to assist them to become part of society.

    I love the image of striking refugees.

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    Default Navy would have role in turning asylum boats around under LNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberleygal1 View Post
    I live in a town that has a detention centre, the towns people get updates re the happenings of the centre including how many are out there, how many have been or will be processed and released into the town etc, we get invited to meetings and a regular newsletter is distributed.
    It's common knowledge that the detention centre is far from a gaol scenario. Not only do they have everything from tv's, game players nintendos and all that sort of thing including egyptian cotton sheets (they actually went on strike once because they didn't have egyptian cotton sheets so they now do) they are free to roam the large premises as they wish, they aren't locked in their lovely rooms, they have a soccer field, they are taken on regular excursions up the Gibb river rd to see tourist attractions (some locals don't get to venture up there) and they go on day trips to Broome. They also utilise the town swimming pool for a few hours at least 3 days a week (I along with many other mums avoid it at these times as the stares are very uncomfortable). The guards aren't armed at all and there is in fact only 3 guards to about 30 detainees. Some have alot of money on them when they arrive in Australia, in fact it costs them alot of money to get on a boat to come here. They are given a daily allowance whilst in detention. And if they get status they get given a fully furnished house and a bulk payment to get them started and they go straight onto welfare.
    Look I don't doubt rumours like this swirl around a town with an immigration detention centre, but can I ask if you are familiar with the Senate Estimates program?

    Don't you think, especially given the enormous amounts of bad blood between the Opposition and Government over asylum seeker policy that IF asylum seekers were living the life of Riley with nintendos and Egyptian cotton sheets and being hand-fed grapes then the Opposition wouldn't have torn the government to pieces in Estimates? I mean absolutely torn them to pieces.

    But they haven't. That speaks volumes to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NancyBlackett View Post
    Look I don't doubt rumours like this swirl around a town with an immigration detention centre, but can I ask if you are familiar with the Senate Estimates program?

    Don't you think, especially given the enormous amounts of bad blood between the Opposition and Government over asylum seeker policy that IF asylum seekers were living the life of Riley with nintendos and Egyptian cotton sheets and being hand-fed grapes then the Opposition wouldn't have torn the government to pieces in Estimates? I mean absolutely torn them to pieces.

    But they haven't. That speaks volumes to me.
    This. Could you imagine the media coverage for asylum seekers protesting Egyptian cotton sheets? It wouldn't be nation-wide, it would be world-wide. The Libs would have a field day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by risfaerie View Post
    As for the op. It really doesn't sound legal to me. Not only that, but scenarios like emptying the fuel out of boats and leaving people with the minimum to return sounds dangerous. And incredibly cruel. These are PEOPLE. With brains and hearts, emotions, families, personalities. It is so sad that their lives seem to be worthless to so many people.

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    It sounds ridiculous on so many levels.
    Firstly, how is it legal for the Australian Navy or Customs to board their ship?
    What right do they have to empty the fuel of a boat in the ocean?
    How do they know how much fuel they will need to return?

    Humans are humans. We are all seeking the same things - security for ourselves and our loved ones regardless of nationality, religion, race or brand of clothing.

    What annoys me most about this is that the LNP must think I'm really stupid to think that this is feasible, plausible, practical and the moral and right thing to do.

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    Default Navy would have role in turning asylum boats around under LNP.

    I agree with the article. Most 'asylum seekers' from Sri Lanka aren't genuine refugees and are simply seeking enriched economic gains.

    Sending back the boats though? Eeek! Even if they are trying to rort the system, if something happens with the boat they are still human beings.... I'd escort them to detention, assess their claims and if Sri Lanka is deemed to be safe enough, send them back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I agree with the article. Most 'asylum seekers' from Sri Lanka aren't genuine refugees and are simply seeking enriched economic gains.
    Sorry, but how can you know this. Unless you are processing their claims, you cannot possibly know this as fact.

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    Default Navy would have role in turning asylum boats around under LNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ana Gram View Post
    Sorry, but how can you know this. Unless you are processing their claims, you cannot possibly know this as fact.
    Actually it is pretty true re Sri Lankans, I'm too lazy to go find official stats to quote, but it is true. The claim they put in is for 'economic asylum' not political asylum as their country is not considered to meet political persecution status under the UNHCR. Not saying I agree with that stance or not, but it is true that most of their claims are economic rather than political, and they make up a fair proportion of those who are knocked back (which is a very small percentage of those claiming asylum overall, most are approved).

    This is in contrast to, for example, a Hazara Afghani who may be plenty wealthy, but is granted refugee status on political grounds due to persecution.
    To those who comment on refugees turning up in 'designer clothes' and with money, yes some of them have plenty of money which is completely useless to them due to political persecution in their home country (no point being rich if you are gonna get shot).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jellyfishie View Post
    Actually it is pretty true re Sri Lankans, I'm too lazy to go find official stats to quote, but it is true. The claim they put in is for 'economic asylum' not political asylum as their country is not considered to meet political persecution status under the UNHCR. Not saying I agree with that stance or not, but it is true that most of their claims are economic rather than political, and they make up a fair proportion of those who are knocked back (which is a very small percentage of those claiming asylum overall, most are approved).

    This is in contrast to, for example, a Hazara Afghani who may be plenty wealthy, but is granted refugee status on political grounds due to persecution.
    To those who comment on refugees turning up in 'designer clothes' and with money, yes some of them have plenty of money which is completely useless to them due to political persecution in their home country (no point being rich if you are gonna get shot).
    If you ever listen to shock jocks, they go on about the queue jumpers from Afghanistan. They even criticised the government when Nauru was opened again and sent only Sri Lankans there, rather than Afghanis.

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    Default Navy would have role in turning asylum boats around under LNP.

    Thought I better go find something to back myself up.
    The UNHCR specifically states that it doesn't even recognise the term 'economic asylum', their convention says that these people should be deemed migrants rather than refugees and they aren't afforded any protection under the UNHCR. So it is no surprise that their applications are rejected.


 

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