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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberleygal1 View Post
    I live in a town that has a detention centre, the towns people get updates re the happenings of the centre including how many are out there, how many have been or will be processed and released into the town etc, we get invited to meetings and a regular newsletter is distributed.
    It's common knowledge that the detention centre is far from a gaol scenario. Not only do they have everything from tv's, game players nintendos and all that sort of thing including egyptian cotton sheets (they actually went on strike once because they didn't have egyptian cotton sheets so they now do) they are free to roam the large premises as they wish, they aren't locked in their lovely rooms, they have a soccer field, they are taken on regular excursions up the Gibb river rd to see tourist attractions (some locals don't get to venture up there) and they go on day trips to Broome. They also utilise the town swimming pool for a few hours at least 3 days a week (I along with many other mums avoid it at these times as the stares are very uncomfortable). The guards aren't armed at all and there is in fact only 3 guards to about 30 detainees. Some have alot of money on them when they arrive in Australia, in fact it costs them alot of money to get on a boat to come here. They are given a daily allowance whilst in detention. And if they get status they get given a fully furnished house and a bulk payment to get them started and they go straight onto welfare.

    The Curtin Detention Centre (the one you are talking about above) is far from what you describe.


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    Default Navy would have role in turning asylum boats around under LNP.

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    Default Re: Navy would have role in turning asylum boats around under LNP.

    They get temporary housing. Furnished by Salvos, or another similar organisation. It is hardly luxurious. Normally pretty basic.

    As for detention centre being different to a gaol situation, prisoners in a medium security level prison get gaming consoles, swimming pools, gyms, televisions and social activities too. In both cases they are not allowed to leave the facility unless escorted or cleared for a specific purpose. I can't speak about Egyptian cotton sheets, as it sounds a little unbelievable to me, and I have not found anything factual to verify this.

    The difference between a prison and a detention centre is that prisoners have been found guilty of a crime. Statistics have indicated that the majority of individuals seeking asylum actually meet the requirements and qualify as asylum seekers. So they are incarcerated regardless of guilt.

    As for the op. It really doesn't sound legal to me. Not only that, but scenarios like emptying the fuel out of boats and leaving people with the minimum to return sounds dangerous. And incredibly cruel. These are PEOPLE. With brains and hearts, emotions, families, personalities. It is so sad that their lives seem to be worthless to so many people.

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    Default Navy would have role in turning asylum boats around under LNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberleygal1 View Post
    I live in a town that has a detention centre, the towns people get updates re the happenings of the centre including how many are out there, how many have been or will be processed and released into the town etc, we get invited to meetings and a regular newsletter is distributed.
    It's common knowledge that the detention centre is far from a gaol scenario. Not only do they have everything from tv's, game players nintendos and all that sort of thing including egyptian cotton sheets (they actually went on strike once because they didn't have egyptian cotton sheets so they now do) they are free to roam the large premises as they wish, they aren't locked in their lovely rooms, they have a soccer field, they are taken on regular excursions up the Gibb river rd to see tourist attractions (some locals don't get to venture up there) and they go on day trips to Broome. They also utilise the town swimming pool for a few hours at least 3 days a week (I along with many other mums avoid it at these times as the stares are very uncomfortable). The guards aren't armed at all and there is in fact only 3 guards to about 30 detainees. Some have alot of money on them when they arrive in Australia, in fact it costs them alot of money to get on a boat to come here. They are given a daily allowance whilst in detention. And if they get status they get given a fully furnished house and a bulk payment to get them started and they go straight onto welfare.
    The Curtin Detention Centre (the one you are talking about above) is far from what you describe.

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    Default Navy would have role in turning asylum boats around under LNP.

    The media have a vested interest in portraying something in a sensationalist manner. I have seen many stories about the 'horrific conditions' at North Point and Phosphate Hill (IPCs on Christmas Island) which totally differ from that which I can see in front of me with my own eyes.

    I do believe these facilities are under-resourced and that greater access to psychology services would be key to reducing self-harm, but that is totally separate to the issue of mandatory detention itself.

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    Default Navy would have role in turning asylum boats around under LNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by risfaerie View Post

    but scenarios like emptying the fuel out of boats and leaving people with the minimum to return sounds dangerous. And incredibly cruel.

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    Yeah that sounded totally implausible to me too. The personnel on the responsible vessel could be prosecuted under maritime law for crazy stunts like this if they were found to be dangerous. In the same way that they are obliges to pick up people from unseaworthy boats, they can't/don't just leave them floating at sea.
    The staff (be they customs or navy) are human beings too, not mad mean crazy killing machines, I can't honestly see them emptying a boat of fuel as was previously described.

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    Default Navy would have role in turning asylum boats around under LNP.

    Egyptian cotton sheets?

    Come off the grass.

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    Default Re: Navy would have role in turning asylum boats around under LNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by smidget3004 View Post
    They get given a place to live and money once they are found to be true asylum seekers. They get free health care, including optical etc. When I lived in Darwin, you avoided going to the shops or any medical appointments on Tuesdays as that was when they all went, or the aboriginals.

    Don't get me wrong, I agree with those that are genuine, but those that come.here just for what we give them, that sh!ts me. My DP said that a lot of them ask where the nicest place to live is when the navy boards their boat... They also wear expensive brands (those that aren't genuine). He said you could tell the difference between those that are truly escaping and those that aren't...

    Oh and fyi, they pass through several countries that are part of the Geneva convention before getting here (some of them). So they could.have seeked asylum there...

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    A place to live and money? Well, yeah, they are genuine asylum seekers. So they get the basics afforded to the majority of people living in a developed nation.

    To be honest, if I fled my country to start a life for my family, I would probably ask around and find out where the best/nicest place was too. I assume they would want the best life they could provide for their family, same as I do. Same as most people.

    You do not have to be poor and wearing dirty old clothes to be persecuted. Plenty of wealthy people are genuine Asylum seekers. It is not means tested.

    They may pass through countries that are signatories to the Geneva convention, there are many reasons why they may not be able to seek asylum there. Religious reasons, family reasons, etc. The fact is, regardless of whether they did or not, they are still allowed to seek Asylum in Australia if they make it here.

    I honestly don't get the big problem, we are not talking about hundreds of thousands of people. Quite the opposite. Compared to European nations and the USA we have minute numbers of both Asylum Seekers and illegal immigrants.

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    Default Re: Navy would have role in turning asylum boats around under LNP.

    My husband actually does work in a detention center, and yes, while in detention Australia has a duty of care to provide them with things such as doctor check ups, dentist check ups etc. They are allowed to access things such as the public pool, library, shopping center. Remember, these people are not criminals, they come into Australia looking for refuge. There are compounds in the center, and they cant leave the compound to go visit a friend in another compound, it just doesn't work like that. But yes, while they are given top care in detention, when they leave its another story. All the government does is give them a visa, no accomadation, no job, they have to do it all on their own.

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    Default Navy would have role in turning asylum boats around under LNP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberleygal1 View Post
    I live in a town that has a detention centre, the towns people get updates re the happenings of the centre including how many are out there, how many have been or will be processed and released into the town etc, we get invited to meetings and a regular newsletter is distributed.
    It's common knowledge that the detention centre is far from a gaol scenario. Not only do they have everything from tv's, game players nintendos and all that sort of thing including egyptian cotton sheets (they actually went on strike once because they didn't have egyptian cotton sheets so they now do) they are free to roam the large premises as they wish, they aren't locked in their lovely rooms, they have a soccer field, they are taken on regular excursions up the Gibb river rd to see tourist attractions (some locals don't get to venture up there) and they go on day trips to Broome. They also utilise the town swimming pool for a few hours at least 3 days a week (I along with many other mums avoid it at these times as the stares are very uncomfortable). The guards aren't armed at all and there is in fact only 3 guards to about 30 detainees. Some have alot of money on them when they arrive in Australia, in fact it costs them alot of money to get on a boat to come here. They are given a daily allowance whilst in detention. And if they get status they get given a fully furnished house and a bulk payment to get them started and they go straight onto welfare.
    They went on strike to get sheets? On strike from what exactly?
    They have come here to seek refuge under international law. Why shouldn't they be kept comfortable since we are keeping them (some say illegally and I tend to agree) imprisoned?


 

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