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    Default Re: Abbott to axe school bonus if he gets in

    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    This forum is made up primarily of a lower income demographic so these threads always go the same way and the same people say the same thing (including me).
    That's a strange assumption.

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    Default Abbott to axe school bonus if he gets in

    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I don't think anyone is vilifying them. People are just responding to statements they are making, which do come across as harsh, minimising the complexities of poverty and a little bit selfish. As I have said, my DH's tax dollars pay for lots of things we don't utilise and that wealthy people do. It doesn't bother me.

    I do fully understand paying 40% tax would be hard. But to pay that you are getting a big income, and even when tax is gone someone is on many times what that of someone on welfare is on. So there is an incentive. There is also a number of middle to high income payments for various things that can be claimed to buy a house, to get PPL etc. There is no doubt in capitalist Australia that there are huge benefits to working over getting the dole.

    But then I'm firmly socialist lol always have been. I think people are too worried about wealth, the huge house and keeping up with the Jones's.
    What do the wealthy utilise that others don't?? It's a genuine question btw?

    Also yes they are paying tax and paying more percentage which is fair, but you have to remember that percentage In dollars is a huge amount of their pay gone.

    And I'm not saying they shouldn't be taxed but can understand their frustrations too.

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    Default Abbott to axe school bonus if he gets in

    Quote Originally Posted by MummaOJ View Post
    And how do you know that?
    From comments people make about their personal circumstances.

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    That's a strange assumption.
    Not really. Would be interesting if they did a poll but can understand why they wouldn't want to.

    ETA: my feeling is also that there are more SAHMs than working mums which would also imply that family incomes are generally lower (of course there are always exceptions).

    Just my perception of the forum and I've been around a while

    Also ETA: I'm not including mums on mat leave
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    I would imagine she's referring to things like PHI rebate etc It's mainly middle-high income earners who could afford the top covers and therefore get the highest rebates and biggest benefit. Possibly also FHOG.

    My DP pays loads of tax, and has to plan for it as a business owner as opposed to the convenience of it coming out of his wages. I've never heard him complain... I don't think it pays to think about it really, I don't. I'm a citizen, my duty is to pay my taxes *shrug*

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    In the interest of bringing this thread back on topic of the school bonus, I'm going to start a new thread on taxes, as I think there are a lot of misconceived ideas re: income etc.

    (Actually I was planning on it anyway, but reading the direction this thread has gone this morning, it seems pertinent to now )

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    Default Abbott to axe school bonus if he gets in

    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I do agree, many middle and higher income earners in here have said they support help to low income families.... but several have also said in so many words the govt makes it too easy to 'sit on your butt' and people need to support themselves and their kids educational needs.... while defending high income handouts.

    So in some ways it's a generalisation and in some it's right on the mark.
    I don't know though if it's fair to link those in the same sentence. I do know some have said that, but just to clarify only some, not all.

    Many middle to high income earners on bh (my family included) don't want to see the school kids bonus axed and see value in it.

    We're not all capitalist snobs I'm really happy for my taxes to go towards things that will benefit children have a better education and things that take the burden off struggling families.

    You also really never know anything about a persons wealth either. We may earn lots (and yes we pay heaps of tax) but we also support siblings and family members who are low income earners. So you really just never know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    This forum is made up primarily of a lower income demographic so these threads always go the same way and the same people say the same thing (including me).
    I do agree. The majority get some form of assistance or welfare, only few have said they get a 150k+ income and no rebates or assistance.

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    Default Abbott to axe school bonus if he gets in

    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    I'm really happy for my taxes to go towards things that will benefit children have a better education and things that take the burden off struggling families.
    Yep I'm in this basket. Totally believe that a country should look after those who need it. I think the threshold for SKB should be lowered. Which means I won't get it but I don't need it.

    Things like PHI rebate and childcare assistance I think differently about but that's another thread!

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    Default Re: Abbott to axe school bonus if he gets in

    I love how people are upset with the idea of scrapping the school kids bonus. Don't you realise that the school kids bonus was actually a way for the labor government to cut costs by scrapping being able to claim school expenses back on your tax?

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