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    Default Abbott to axe school bonus if he gets in

    Let me be clear: I cannot abide Tony Abbott. But I have to ask... is everyone genuinely happy with everything continuing as it has? Do you really think Labor deserve to get back in?

    Personally I become more dispirited every passing year. Much as I'd love to have a party that I felt passionately about, no one represents me

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    I'm happy with things, yes. Unfortunately nobody represents me or my beliefs in this country, but we have a two party preferred system which IMO is not true democracy. So if I have to choose the lesser of two evils it just has to stay put.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambjam View Post
    Let me be clear: I cannot abide Tony Abbott. But I have to ask... is everyone genuinely happy with everything continuing as it has? Do you really think Labor deserve to get back in?

    Personally I become more dispirited every passing year. Much as I'd love to have a party that I felt passionately about, no one represents me
    I totally agree with every word of this.

    I have NO idea who I am going to vote for this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambjam View Post
    Let me be clear: I cannot abide Tony Abbott. But I have to ask... is everyone genuinely happy with everything continuing as it has? Do you really think Labor deserve to get back in?

    Personally I become more dispirited every passing year. Much as I'd love to have a party that I felt passionately about, no one represents me
    No not happy, I don't vote labour or liberal. But if I had to choose between the 2 I'd go Labour, better the devil you know and I think they do help families alot more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    We all are recipients from the government. Education and healthcare among a myriad of other things don't come from the sky.

    My anecdote is that when I was on SPP I didn't understand why high income earners complain. Now I earn too much to receive assistance and I still do not understand why high income earners complain.
    I am often confused myself, as in, some complain that the government gives too many handouts, some complain they don't qualify but want to get some back, some of those who don't qualify support middle class welfare, some of those don't support middle class welfare.
    ? Its hard to know where everyone stands.

    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Hm (says she who's been waiting at the opthamologist for over an hour with her son, kudos to my son for waiting beautifully), wow for smart phones and the ability to learn in what would otherwise be a brain dead situation.

    I've just been looking up Sweden and Denmark and governments -both listed as unitary parliamentary democracies, both as highest incomes per capita, and highest happiness levels. I couldn't live in one of these countries due to climate, but want to know the negatives.
    I had a friend from Sweden I went to uni with. Her gov was paying an amount towards her school fees and getting austudy payments something like triple of what mine were at the time, enough for her to not have to work part time and pay her rent and bills. Is it still like that I don't know, I'm talking 13years ago, but it was alot more than what we got.

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    Just replying to the OP, I think the currant SKB should be scrapped/majorly changed

    1. It's handed out too late to be of any real benefit to those who need it most.

    2. I feel the threshold is too high.

    3. I believe the money should go directly to public schools to pay for stationary, school fees etc.

    4. I believe public school uniforms should be tax deductible just like work uniforms are (this is how I think it works? or it did when I was working) if you have to have a certain uniform with an emblem than you are able to claim it on tax.

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    This is what I'm talking about, I'm not thinking of moving overseas, just wondering why if other countries systems are so good, why aren't we adopting more of the strategies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    This is what I'm talking about, I'm not thinking of moving overseas, just wondering why if other countries systems are so good, why aren't we adopting more of the strategies?
    Because these are socialist initiatives, and it's unlikely the Australian public would support that. At this stage anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    This is what I'm talking about, I'm not thinking of moving overseas, just wondering why if other countries systems are so good, why aren't we adopting more of the strategies?
    As in Sweden?
    I think they pay like 70% tax?? They have higher wages and a smaller population.
    Australia generally doesn't support new taxes (mining and carbon are 2 I can think of recently) and some don't think welfare is something to depend on.

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    Default Abbott to axe school bonus if he gets in

    Quote Originally Posted by Someones Mummy View Post
    As in Sweden?
    I think they pay like 70% tax?? They have higher wages and a smaller population.
    Australia generally doesn't support new taxes (mining and carbon are 2 I can think of recently) and some don't think welfare is something to depend on.
    I suspect you may be thinking of Norway? They have one of (if not the) highest tax rates in the world. They are extremely socialist and there are many social benefits (paid parental leave for 12 months+, unemployment paid at your previous salary rate for a substantial amount of time if you lose your job, free tertiary education etc)

    However, being socialist, they do not have the 'welfare mentality' which is present within a subsection of the population in many other western countries. Their collective is not that it is their 'right' to get payments, these payments are a safety net for hard times. At all other times they expect to be productive members of society who contribute through employment etc.

    Even our 'left' is a lot more 'right' than theirs, (ie our left is still pretty conservative compared to other socialist countries)

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    I agree that Australia's "left" is more right than true left is.

    I remember doing one of those "test" things last federal election, and I was more left than our "left" parties.

    As bad as it sounds, I think Australians, overall, are just too self-focused to ever be truly left-leaning.


 

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