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    Default Abbott to axe school bonus if he gets in

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    lol yes bc living off 20k is easier than 200k bc people have a big mortgage and on welfare you get a HCC. 20k is so attractive, why would anyone want to get off welfare? *tongue firmly in cheek*

    Seriously this attitude of 'I work so I should get all these kick backs even though I'm rich and give the poor nothing bc they don't deserve it like I do' really annoys me. At least many people discussing in here that don't support the bonus at least recognise how difficult it is to be low income....
    Hopefully there aren't too many people actually like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    I think you've made your point now people make life long careers of drawing caricatures of politicians. Their personalities sometimes do come into intelligent debate.
    Actually, I think - and correct me if I am wrong pegasus - the point she is making is that while caricatures come with the territory, generally people object far more when a female figure is ridiculed for her weight or her dress sense than they do if it is a man.

    When people comment on something dodgy the PM wears or her new glasses there are cries of sexism and ignoring the real issues.

    When people comment on a dodgy suit being worn by a male politician or a physical attribute it is 'par for the course'.

    FWIW I do think it is par for the course for either gender, but I can also see the double standard I think pegasus was pointing out in her earlier post.

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    I have known a few unfortunately. "I pay tax, give me something". I just don't understand it, why would anybody WANT to need assisance? The day I walked into centrelink to cancel my single parenting payments was one of the greatest days of my life.

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    Default Abbott to axe school bonus if he gets in

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    Actually, I think - and correct me if I am wrong pegasus - the point she is making is that while caricatures come with the territory, generally people object far more when a female figure is ridiculed for her weight or her dress sense than they do if it is a man.

    When people comment on something dodgy the PM wears or her new glasses there are cries of sexism and ignoring the real issues.

    When people comment on a dodgy suit being worn by a male politician or a physical attribute it is 'par for the course'.

    FWIW I do think it is par for the course for either gender, but I can also see the double standard I think pegasus was pointing out in her earlier post.
    I do understand this, but as I was the one who made the shrek comment it was not intended that way. Again it's not directly to do with his weight, it's an inside labor party joke which stems from something other than physical appearance.

    It's not only men who comment on Gillard, plenty of women do too. If you are a public figure you're up there for scrutiny unfortunately.

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    Default Abbott to axe school bonus if he gets in

    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    I have known a few unfortunately. "I pay tax, give me something". I just don't understand it, why would anybody WANT to need assisance? The day I walked into centrelink to cancel my single parenting payments was one of the greatest days of my life.
    Just to play devil's advocate a bit, those who pay tax and want something don't want "assistance" as such, they just want a bit extra in their pocket. A nice to have, not a need to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    Just to play devil's advocate a bit, those who pay tax and want something don't want "assistance" as such, they just want a bit extra in their pocket. A nice to have, not a need to have.
    yeah...we all pay tax though *shrug*. I do think people get to a point where they should be well and truly self sufficient without govt assistance.

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    yeah...we all pay tax though *shrug*. I do think people get to a point where they should be well and truly self sufficient without govt assistance.
    I know what you mean but I don't think this will ever happen. Citizens of a country are always going to want "something" from the Govt especially when a large portion of their salary is deducted.

    Anecdotally, I know a person who was low income for years and couldn't understand why "high" earners would ever want anything from the Govt. Then her circumstances changed and she earned more and paid a lot more tax as well as not receiving XYZ benefit. She then understood

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    They cover the barest essentials sometimes not even that. With a single parent with one child who is 8 and at school and she is looking for work - she is getting $750 p/f. That wouldn't even cover a week's mortgage for some.
    But benefits like the SKB do nothing to address the real issues and just add costs associated with administration. Parents can't afford the extras which go along with education lets fix that, doctors don't bulk bill fix that, housing is not affordable fix that. Don't fall for the governments (all of them) treating us like chumps.

    I go back to my original premise and that is the whole system needs an overhaul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    I know what you mean but I don't think this will ever happen. Citizens of a country are always going to want "something" from the Govt especially when a large portion of their salary is deducted.

    Anecdotally, I know a person who was low income for years and couldn't understand why "high" earners would ever want anything from the Govt. Then her circumstances changed and she earned more and paid a lot more tax as well as not receiving XYZ benefit. She then understood
    We all are recipients from the government. Education and healthcare among a myriad of other things don't come from the sky.

    My anecdote is that when I was on SPP I didn't understand why high income earners complain. Now I earn too much to receive assistance and I still do not understand why high income earners complain.

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    Default Abbott to axe school bonus if he gets in

    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    We all are recipients from the government. Education and healthcare among a myriad of other things don't come from the sky.

    My anecdote is that when I was on SPP I didn't understand why high income earners complain. Now I earn too much to receive assistance and I still do not understand why high income earners complain.
    I know we are all recipients of those things. I'm not saying this is how I feel.

    I just had a long debate with my FIL today where he called me a communist as I said that a country should look after those who need it most!


 

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