IME in these threads, this often isn't really about saving the tax payer money or about them standing on their own feet. It's that *some* higher middle and high income earners are angry they are missing out on a few hundred a year. Thus your comment earlier, paraphrased to - if everyone can't get it, no one should. Someone on 150k+ shouldn't need help with uniforms. If we are saying pay for your own kids, and people are expecting a family on 20k to do it on their own why shouldn't a wealthy family be able to?
Everything you list is pretty negligible. My DH works but we still are eligible for HCC - seriously it would save us $50 a year, if that. Very few drs bulk bill anymore. I don't get cheap transport or rego. We have very few scripts and the ones we do have are only $2 dearer anyway. Rent assistance is a maximum of $130 p/f. Low income earners are paying almost the same in rent as the wealthy are paying for their mortgage lol ftb b is an ok amount but ftb a is $40. CCR is only for working families.
Ask a single mum on here if she could give up the HCC, rent assistance and ftb to earn 200k a year and you'd only get half way thru the sentence before she jumped at the chance lol lets not make out welfare is the high life.
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A lot of people receiving welfare really need it and would probably rather be on a higher paying job. Yes I def know there are those who wrought the system for their own means, I sadly know quite a few which does spoil it. On the whole though, those payments are helping a lot of families survive and if we cut them, it prob won't lead to any better outcome. Children are at the heart of families and in the end, they are who will suffer.
Just to quickly reply to the replies to my post, I still find it funny that people feel the need to comment on others appearance, or to make caricatures of them and say its ok, it comes with the territory. I still maintain that if someone stuck up a caricature of Ms Gillard and said, its okay, it comes with the territory, that person would be told its not okay regardless. Ftr, I'm not just talking about the Shrek caricature, there were a lot of insults bandied about earlier in the thread all directed at liberal politicians. I'd just like one thread on politics debate the policies, not the politicians themselves.
With regards to the thread, I am interested in learning more about other countries welfare and tax systems. Sweden and Denmark have been mentioned. So, are the systems there, higher taxes =free public services? If these systems are so great, why aren't others adopting them? What are their failures?
This is a good point too. Low income earners often pay a huge proportion of their income in rent. I know it's easy to say, move to another town but that's not always viable. Where I live it's virtually impossible to get a family home to rent (I'm talking a 2 or 3 beddie townhouse or very small house in the burbs) for less than $400 a week. That's a huge amount to a lot of families and makes it impossible to save.Originally Posted by delirium;
Seriously this attitude of 'I work so I should get all these kick backs even though I'm rich and give the poor nothing bc they don't deserve it like I do' really annoys me. At least many people discussing in here that don't support the bonus at least recognise how difficult it is to be low income....
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