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    How interesting it is to see the way that its seen as ok to liken a male politician to a green ogre and comment on his weight, whereas in other threads I've seen condemnation of media doing the equivalent to the prime minister.

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    Default Abbott to axe school bonus if he gets in

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    Default Re: Abbott to axe school bonus if he gets in

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    How interesting it is to see the way that its seen as ok to liken a male politician to a green ogre and comment on his weight, whereas in other threads I've seen condemnation of media doing the equivalent to the prime minister.
    Ah, but I was commenting on his weight loss and saying it's good. Is it not ok to say positive things about weight loss?

    IMO, if there was a female pollie who looked like Shrek my comment would be the same.

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    Default Abbott to axe school bonus if he gets in

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    Either way the govt is spending money to help families with school. Be it to businesses or more funding for excusions/uniforms etc. So why not give it to families so they can get the best deal?
    For the same reason we don't tax people more and distribute the proceeds for other people to spend on their gardens. Or haircare. Or art. Because it makes better sense to not tax them in the first place but rather let them use that money as they choose.

    If it's a necessary part of the curriculum (books, pencils, excursions) it should be covered by the school, and if the schools can't afford that then they should be given enough to do so.

    But redistributing taxed income so people can buy polos and runners? What happened to personal accountability? If someone can't afford to buy their children clothing then there are charities to assist them, but such situations shouldn't be treated as the norm.

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    But if you wanting schools to provide everything necessary education wise and people are left to buy uniforms etc, then they are not going to give tax cuts. I would say it would either be a choice of tax cuts with the same, if not less that the school covers, or more spending and no tax cuts.

    The other issue I think is that using tax cuts as a way of making schooling more affordable, is that the wealthy, who should def be the ones that should have financial accountability are the ones getting help while the ones that most need it get little to nothing.

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    Default Abbott to axe school bonus if he gets in

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    How interesting it is to see the way that its seen as ok to liken a male politician to a green ogre and comment on his weight, whereas in other threads I've seen condemnation of media doing the equivalent to the prime minister.
    It was Paul Keating who did it as a joke on radio and it stuck. It's a labor party joke.

    I would comment further on real life experiences but not on a public forum. It's not because of his weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsTruth View Post
    I don't know what I truly think about the education payment and the potential axing of it. I do agree that if it is axed it will be replaced with some other payment or a return to being able to claim it at tax time.

    I understand the principle behind it being for lower income families but I wonder whether we as a society are getting caught in the trap of holding people down by keeping them trapped in the welfare cycle rather than giving them a hand up out of it.

    I also find myself getting slightly annoyed at the fact that we are missing out again on a rebate/bonus/payment - even though technically we do not need them and would not even notice them going into our account to be honest.

    This feeling does not sit well with me though as my political leanings have always been towards the ALP and what it has traditionally stood for.

    As a couple of others have mentioned as a household we would be much better off until the Libs but I just cannot bring myself to put them any higher then last on the ballot paper (regardless of who the leader or the local candidate is).

    So, as my post demonstrates I am suddenly finding myself in the position of being one of the confused voters.
    I think what you have said in the second and third paragraph has hit the nail on the head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    But if you wanting schools to provide everything necessary education wise and people are left to buy uniforms etc, then they are not going to give tax cuts. I would say it would either be a choice of tax cuts with the same, if not less that the school covers, or more spending and no tax cuts.

    The other issue I think is that using tax cuts as a way of making schooling more affordable, is that the wealthy, who should def be the ones that should have financial accountability are the ones getting help while the ones that most need it get little to nothing.
    I'm not suggesting tax cuts; I'm all for high taxes that go towards necessary public goods and services. But I am opposed to middle class welfare which, as I see it, is simply the government meddling in how, when and where we spend our money, usually for little reason more than vote collecting. Not great economic policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Not that I don't support that, I do. But clearly this isn't about saving the country money. It's about redirecting to middle and high income earners (given 2 people working are going to be more likely to be middle to high than low).

    Under the argument you know what kids cost, prepare for it, shouldn't those on PPL plan ahead instead of having the tax payer fund them?? and again I support PPL all the way, I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies here. It seems this isn't about saving tax payers, but wanting the money to go to the rich and not the poor.
    But those that do work should have an incentive to be able to have time at home with their children by being paid the ppl. I have been with my employer for 12 years so i think i deserve to be paid a bit of money being the ppl from the government to enable me to have time off, I have paid 12yrs of taxes so why shouldn't I get something back!

    And while we all know what kids cost the point you raise to plan ahead, well that applies to everyone, low, middle or high income earners but it just seems to me that a majority of the handouts paid to lower income earners and the more they get the less incentive there is for them to better their situation by getting a job or a higher paying one etc, why would one remove themselves from the welfare system when receiving school bonuses, ccr, ccb, tax a and b payments, rent assistance, health care card and the list goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambjam View Post
    I'm not suggesting tax cuts; I'm all for high taxes that go towards necessary public goods and services. But I am opposed to middle class welfare which, as I see it, is simply the government meddling in how, when and where we spend our money, usually for little reason more than vote collecting. Not great economic policy.
    Ah I see. Well then I agree. I would support higher taxes and everything for free, much like the Sweden and Denmark.

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