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    Quote Originally Posted by waterlily View Post
    The way people don't look at it but should is. Gillard and Abbott are just a front runner. Your voting for a party, not the ape in the suit.
    I agree in part. The ape in the suit is still the international face of Australia (for so long as they are the leader). Won't it be hilarious if that is TA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    I think he will get in. Labor traditionally run bad campaigns and are not good at selling their accomplishments. I am definitely working on the assumption after September we'll go Liberal federally.
    I'm so dreading this but I agree, he will get in The richer will get richer, the poorer will get poorer, and women will have their rights slowly eroded, especially in regards to the work place and abortion.

    I've always traditionally been a labor voter. The socialist in me shares their beliefs. I don't think it's so much they have changed as far as core values. They are just not vocal enough about their achievements as you say (and I do think labor has made many good decisions) and Tony is great at reactive politics where he is always snapping at their heels riding off every little mistake.

    This year I will probably vote greens.

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    Default Re: Abbott to axe school bonus if he gets in

    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I'm so dreading this but I agree, he will get in The richer will get richer, the poorer will get poorer, and women will have their rights slowly eroded, especially in regards to the work place and abortion.

    I've always traditionally been a labor voter. The socialist in me shares their beliefs. I don't think it's so much they have changed as far as core values. They are just not vocal enough about their achievements as you say (and I do think labor has made many good decisions) and Tony is great at reactive politics where he is always snapping at their heels riding off every little mistake.

    This year I will probably vote greens.
    Abortion won't be made any more illegal than it is. Just because TA may want to change the laws, they have to be voted for and he would never get the votes in parliament to win. It really isn't an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redlipsandpearls View Post
    Abortion won't be made any more illegal than it is. Just because TA may want to change the laws, they have to be voted for and he would never get the votes in parliament to win. It really isn't an issue.
    I think it all depends on the ratios of the senate and house of reps. If he gets a huge majority in this election, which I think he will, there won't be huge opposition. He has said in the past he wants to change the laws to basically only be for medically necessary termination - so severe abnormalities and not much else. I have my own personal thoughts on the subject but I firmly stand against his views on personal autonomy for women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterlily View Post
    The way people don't look at it but should is. Gillard and Abbott are just a front runner. Your voting for a party, not the ape in the suit.
    Yes I do realise this.....but like it or not there are people who dont give a sh!t about politics but are forced to vote. You might shake your head at them and tut tut and whatever else, but its true.

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    Sadly, nothing surprises me any more. I have no doubt that we could quite easily be facing things like WorkChoices again. TA is vehemently anti-union and has said some pretty strange things about the working class (like a bad boss is just like a bad husband - does more good than harm??!!)... I am scared. I wish I could feel positive and hope for the best, I just don't.

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    Default Re: Abbott to axe school bonus if he gets in

    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I think it all depends on the ratios of the senate and house of reps. If he gets a huge majority in this election, which I think he will, there won't be huge opposition. He has said in the past he wants to change the laws to basically only be for medically necessary termination - so severe abnormalities and not much else. I have my own personal thoughts on the subject but I firmly stand against his views on personal autonomy for women.
    I'm strobgly against it too, but it's highly unlikely it will ever be an issue.

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    I'm honestly fearful too. I also believe Work choices under a new name will be trotted out within the first 12 months of his leadership. Employees hated it with a passion when Howard brought it out. Apparently it was the major reason he lost the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fox View Post
    I might be coming into this thread a little late and apologies if this has already been said but why on earth should we expect the government to give us money each year to help with the cost of school.
    Call me crazy, but isnt schooling and the associated costs just another normal and expected cost of having children?
    Id spend more money per year on nappies for my daughter when she was an infant then i would pay to start her up at school. Should i also be getting a payment from the government to help with this?
    In my opinion, schooling costs are just another normal cost of having children. Sure i would imagine that it would be difficult for some families on a low income to be able to afford but that doesnt mean i support a blanket payment across the board for all families.
    Perhaps a rebate on school expenses would be more appropriate to those families who are on income support payments and the rest of us could just maybe suck it up a little bit and get on with the job of providing for our children without expecting the government to pay for everything.
    I can almost guarantee that those people who claim they rely on that money to start htei kids in school would actually find a way to come up with the money if it wasnt given as a free hand out.
    I agree where there is a will there is a way, I remember when the US put a cap on the amount of time you can receive welfare to 4 years over your lifetime. They pretty much went full force and started kicking people off within months and everyone thought these people would be homeless, end up on the streets or starve well they didnt and employment actually went up and people were surviving and doing well.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlissedOut View Post
    Oh those poor poor wealthy people, I'd love to earn enough to pay 50% tax.
    Would you also love the time they spent to get there? Would you like to give up the time hanging out with friends to study? And the huge bills they are paying off for schooling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post

    Unless I'm wrong you can't get the child care rebate if you aren't working.

    No doubt there are a lot of people in Australia who would agree with TA on these points. Heck I'd be far better off with a liberal government. But I won't vote for him for these reasons. And nor would a lot of people who have spoken on this thread so far.
    Low income families can get help with 2 days child care a week if they are not working. I think that money should be put towards helping working parents more.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fox View Post
    baby bonus is actually only for the first child now if im not mistaken, its also means tested?
    Does that mean the school bonus is also for the first child?
    FTB isnt cut when your child starts school does it?
    Dont we get enough payments to help raise our kids already?
    I think its too much, now I hear they give money out for sports yes sports are good but we really are making people too dependent on the government and this is a cycle that is going to be hard to break

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