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    Quote Originally Posted by αληθη View Post

    I think it's horrible that breastfeeding women can have nurse-ins and complain that they're being treated like poo by society and then give the same negativity to bottlefeeders thinking they're all allowed to do that. Double standards much?
    I disagree. Promoting bfing is not about being anti-bottle. Promoting bottle or formula is not about being anti-bf. When this sentiment start to rear their its ugly head, the hubber gets shot down pretty quickly. The sooner we all believe that supporting one does not mean you don't support the other, the better off we'll all be. I despise language where one or the other are attacked. It's unnecessary and just feeds the mummy-wars that we can all do without.

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    Quote Originally Posted by αληθη View Post
    I meant they fight their negativity (recently with the nurse in) and also get very hurt by it, but then some (I do realise not all, especially with the other thread about what we love about bottle feeding and some coming in there with support too) but some pass on the same intensity, sometimes worse, of negativity about bottlefeeding/ff and it seems like double standards that those pro breast feeders would give bottlefeeders negativity that they've had to endure.
    If I'm making sense? I know what I'm trying to say in my head >__<
    I know what you're saying, but I think there are people who do that on all sides of the fence. I just didn't want to get into an 'us/ them' thing - especially when so many breastfeeders have expressed (excuse the pun) their support for this area too. I think we're mostly on the same side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by House Mumma View Post

    A CHN I was regularly seeing even admitted she knows nothing about different brands of formula etc when I was changing from EBM to Formula. I was on my own to research it all out for myself. I was told by a GP to "just get any brand it doesn't matter which one".
    Argh, this. I spent the morning with a new mummy who is struggling to bf and comping with formula. Bub isn't responding well to the formula and, when mum tried to change the brand, she was told by both her nurse and doctor that "it won't make a difference". ARGH.

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    Default New Celebrate Bottlefeeding section

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    Ah forgive me. I guess I assumed it was bottlefeeding formula as it is generally accepted shorthand for not breastfeeding, rather than elm or pumping mums etc. And I have not read the original thread. This might be obvious.

    To clarify, i have already stated my views on supporting mums. My beef would be with the terminology. The word celebrate used in that context seems inappropriate. Especially because of the grief and failure that mums experience when breastfeeding doesn't work out.
    It isn't a celebration. That's not to say that many mums aren't bloody heroes going through all they did and the hardships that brought them to bottlefeeding. Or that it isn't a wonderful bonding experience when a mum who has decided to bottlfeed gives that first feed to a tiny newborn.

    It's just that breastfeeding rates are low and I think that it has to be considered that while not coercing mums to bottlfeed, language used this way could be seen as promoting bottlefeeding ;equalizing it with breastfeeding.

    On an individual level bottlefeeding may be as good as breastfeeding for you and your family (and as individuals bottlefeeding families DO need positive support) however on a larger community level breastfeeding needs to be supported and promoted. For this reason i don't agree with the wording.

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    It is a celebration when bottle feeding (prescription formula in our case) turns a failure-to-thrive baby with horrific reflux and warning signs of bowel damage into a thriving, happy and healthy bub. It can be the light at the end of the tunnel for some. How fantastic that we have alternatives when previously these babies would have suffered! Every gram that DD gained, every normal poo, every sleep not disturbed by reflux was a celebration in this house. What's wrong with sharing that?

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    Default Re: New Celebrate Bottlefeeding section

    Quote Originally Posted by meme View Post

    I support all mums regardless of feeding methods but i am pretty shocked at a celebrating formula thread. It doesn't sit well with me as it seems a bit too much like promoting formula feeding. Which is not good. but i do understand the idea of and need for a place for formula feeding mums to chat and get good advice.
    Hasn't the hub always jade a section like that?

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    Can I just say that this hurts a bit.

    Every mum who bottle feeds does so for a different reason.

    I would have loved to find something like that 3 years ago. I cannot explain how much it would have helped me.

    If all us ladies who have bottle fed (no matter what's in the bottle) can make even one mother feel better then that can only be a good thing.

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    If the word "celebrate" is what is being disputed...maybe change both sections (bf and ff) to 'Proud xxxx feeding mums' - surely no one can take issue with a mothers having a sense of pride in nourishing their child...or can they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialPatrolGroup View Post
    If the word "celebrate" is what is being disputed...maybe change both sections (bf and ff) to 'Proud xxxx feeding mums' - surely no one can take issue with a mothers having a sense of pride in nourishing their child...or can they?
    I still can't see how anyone could take exception to "celebrate" so who knows. Just really disappointed how this has been handled. The explanation better be good, I'm pretty close to walking away now .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euphrosyne View Post
    I still can't see how anyone could take exception to "celebrate" so who knows. Just really disappointed how this has been handled. The explanation better be good, I'm pretty close to walking away now .
    I would say hang in there. The harsh reality of a website like this is that there are both personal sensibilities (that would be us on the forum) and commercial factors to take into account. Whilst we invest a fair bit of ourselves in the forum, it is still a business and (I assume) that there needs to be some kind of management discussion etc around things that come up like this.

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    I think the fact that a mod said that BH wont accept ads for formula speaks volumes. They choose not to promote formula feeding...they choose not to encourage formula feeding...to me, this alone sounds like a viable reason as to why they would decide to not want to "celebrate" bottlefeeding.

    (they = BH head honchos...not mods)

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    Default Re: New Celebrate Bottlefeeding section

    I frowned upon mums who ff. I did. Well more so those that never gave bf a try. Breast is best after all.

    Well... Now I understand why sometimes you just can't bf. I still firmly believe that bf should at least be attempted but I fully understand the judgement that comes with ff.

    People assumed I would bf dd2. I tried to. But she was prem and I remember being so proud telling the midwives that I had great milk supply with dd1 so I would be more than happy to donate excess milk when I had it. I couldn't wait to help out those in need. What I hadn't anticipated was the stress of having a prem baby, unable to breastfeed from birth and having to express the liquid gold that was so important for dd2's health. I did not know that this stress could have a major impact on my milk supply. Neither did I know that the major blood loss I experienced several weeks after birth and the medication I was required to take to stop the bleeding would dry up my milk and force me to use the undesirable full time formula feeding option.

    When people saw me pull out a bottle and add formula to the bottle of water, I felt so judged as they innocently said "oh, you're formula feeding". It wasn't said in a negative way but that didn't stop me from defending myself unnecessarily. Why? I don't know. Maybe it's because everything is so pro bf that I felt bad at having to ff. Maybe it's because I felt like I had failed. Maybe it's because I wanted to share the same bond I had with dd1 as I looked into dd1's eyes as she took a big mouthful of bf and that milk drunk look they get. I don't know.

    I didn't think a "celebrate bottle feeding"section was necessary until we had it, then had it taken away amidst all the nurse-in and pro bf dramas of late all while the "celebrate bf" section lives on.

    Why should I celebrate bottlefeeding? Because without it my dd2 wouldn't be here today.

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