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    Default Re: Nurse in at Sunrise- sydney

    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    Yeah just a little odd responses in the 'celebrate breastfeeding' section discussing a nurse in after a television personality exposed his bigotry toward a group of people and made a mockery of anti-discrimination laws if this were bigotry against a race for example I have no doubt that he would no longer be working in television. In fact, I do recall a certain morning program copping it and is no longer on air after an offensive statement against a male.
    I do celebrate breastfeeding, I think it's brilliant what these ladies have accomplished! All I was trying to say was that there has been a situation that made me uncomfortable, that I understood what Little Smiles was trying to say.and that I agreed with her to an extent. I made it clear that I never expected the Mum to cover up while feeding or to move somewhere more discreet, but that seeing her full breasts in the middle of the food court well after she had finished feeding made me uncomfortable. I'm not an outdated prude or anything like that, but I do believe that there is a different way to feed bub at home compared to in a busy mall, ie. at home I would bf topless, but in public I wouldn't and I don't think the law would class that as acceptable either.

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    Default Nurse in at Sunrise- sydney

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    Hi everyone! Sorry for jumping in here, but we wanted to say 'congratulations' to Atropos and to all the women who took part in the Sunrise Nurse-In! We feel very honoured that this began on the Bub Hub ... http://www.bubhub.com.au/hubbub-blog...-a-difference/
    Thank you BH

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    Rather than closing, even though i'm twitching reading this, can we please refrain from personal attacks and just continue with the thread in it's original spirit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickyBee View Post
    Bwahaha I remember DF saying something similar when DS was still breast fed. 'I'll feed him when we get to your parents.' 'Can't you just so it now?' 5 minutes later 'Can you hurry up, we're running late!'
    HAHHAHA yes! It's taken until baby #2 for DH to stop saying those things. With DS2, it was just "Sigh, so I guess you're going to have to feed him before we can go...".

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    Default Nurse in at Sunrise- sydney

    A few interesting facts from the Australian Breastfeeding Association Website that I thought would be useful to copy/paste in this discussion to clear up some serious confusion:

    Breastfeeding in public - your legal rights

    Breastfeeding your baby is a normal and natural thing to do. Babies have a right to be breastfed and mothers have the right to breastfeed. Most mothers work out where and how they can feed their babies when they are out, so that they are comfortable. In our society however, although breastfeeding is acknowledged as important for mothers and babies, some people make critical remarks or confront mothers with unnecessary and illegal 'rules'.

    What is the law?

    In Australian Federal Law breastfeeding is a right, not a privilege.

    Under the federal Sex Discrimination Act 1984 it is illegal in Australia to discriminate against a person either directly or indirectly on the grounds of breastfeeding. Direct discrimination happens when a person treats someone less favourably than another person. For example, it is discriminatory for a waiter to decline to serve a patron who is breastfeeding. Indirect discrimination happens when an apparently neutral condition has the effect of disadvantaging a particular group, in this case women who are breastfeeding. For example, an employer may impose a requirement on all employees that they must not make any breaks for set periods during the day under any circumstances. Such a condition would particularly disadvantage women who need to express milk.

    State/Territory Laws:

    Australian Capital Territory

    Breastfeeding is a protected attribute. Discrimination on the basis of breastfeeding is illegal in the areas of: provision of goods and services, accommodation, financial services, employment, sport, education, access to premises, access to membership in a trade or professional organisation, membership of or services in a licensed club, business partnerships, requests for information and unlawful advertising.

    New South Wales

    Discrimination and harassment on the grounds of sex is illegal in the contexts of: opportunities in employment, state education, goods and services, accommodation and registered clubs. This includes breastfeeding as a characteristic generally appertaining to women.

    Northern Territory

    Breastfeeding is a protected attribute. Discrimination or harassment on the basis of breastfeeding is illegal in the areas of education, work, accommodation, goods, services and facilities, clubs, insurance and superannuation. For protected attributes it is also illegal to fail to make reasonable accommodation for a person's special needs.

    Queensland

    Breastfeeding is a protected attribute. Discrimination on the basis of breastfeeding is explicitly illegal in all areas of public life.

    South Australia

    It is illegal to discriminate against someone in the areas of accommodation, customer service and education because of their association with a child, which includes breastfeeding.

    Tasmania

    Breastfeeding is a protected attribute. Discrimination or 'prohibited conduct' is illegal on the basis of breastfeeding in the areas of: education, employment, provision of goods, facilities and services, clubs, state laws and programs, awards and industrial agreements. 'Prohibited conduct' is any conduct that offends, humiliates, intimidates, insults or ridicules a reasonable person on basis of a protected attribute.

    Victoria

    Breastfeeding is a protected attribute. Discrimination on the basis of breastfeeding is illegal in the areas of: accommodation, clubs, education, employment, goods and services, selling and transferring land, and sport.

    Western Australia

    Discrimination on the on the grounds of sex, pregnancy and marital status is illegal in the contexts of: employment, education, access to places and vehicles, provision of goods, services and facilities, accommodation, disposal of land, clubs, application forms, advertisements, insurance (in some instances) and sport (in some instances). This includes breastfeeding as a characteristic generally appertaining to women. An amendment to prohibit discrimination against mothers breastfeeding in a public place was passed on 25 March 2010.

    A hungry baby shouldn't be expected to wait. No mother can be forced to ignore the needs of her baby.



    FAQs

    Q.Can I breastfeed wherever I am if my baby is hungry?
    A.Yes. A mother has the right to breastfeed her baby wherever she happens to be. This right is legally supported through the Sex Discrimination Act 1984. The requirements of a baby are different to those of an adult, and all mothers have the right to meet their baby's needs. A hungry baby shouldn't be expected to wait, and no mother can be forced to ignore the needs of her baby.

    Q.When out and about can someone tell me to stop breastfeeding?
    A.Yes and No. In Australia, for example, if a person is telling you to stop breastfeeding resulting in them denying you a service because you are breastfeeding then this is classed as discrimination under the Sex Discrimination Act 1984. The Act makes it illegal to discriminate in the provision of goods and services, accommodation, financial services, employment, sport or education. Outside the provisions of the Act it is dependant on the 'harassment' or 'prohibited conduct' law in your state or territory which may make this illegal in certain circumstances. Outside these circumstances there is no law against a member of the public telling you to stop breastfeeding. Regardless there is no law to say that a mother cannot breastfeed. So even though they may be able to tell you not to breastfeed, you have the right to continue breastfeeding.

    Q.Can I breastfeed in a shop or restaurant?
    A.Yes. You can breastfeed while you are a customer or using a service. This is a mother's right and is legally supported through the Sex Discrimination Act 1984.

    Q.If a Baby Care Room is near, do I have to breastfeed in the room?
    A.No. Baby Care Rooms are provided as a service only. Do not feel pressured to breastfeed in one if you do not wish to. Some mums are very glad of the privacy that a Baby Care Room offers them, but other mums prefer to breastfeed wherever they happen to be. By breastfeeding out and about these mums are also helping the next generation of Australians to learn that breastfeeding is normal.

    Q.What if there is a sign saying 'NO FOOD or DRINK ALLOWED'. Can I still breastfeed?
    A.Yes. This sign is not relevant to a baby who is breastfeeding. Again, common sense will be helpful in this situation. Look at why this sign may apply. If it is just to keep the area clean, you can breastfeed. However, if it is because there are chemicals present or some type of hazard, then it may not be an appropriate area to breastfeed in.

    Q.I am expressing breastmilk for my baby? Do I have the same anti-discrimination rights to express as a woman who is breastfeeding?
    A.Yes. Your rights to express are also protected under the Sex Discrimination Act 1984.
    Remember breastfeeding is a mother's right. She has the right to feed her baby at her breast, or express breastmilk for her baby. As an added bonus breastfeeding is natural, normal, environmentally-friendly, affordable and healthy for all of humanity.

    https://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/bf-...law/legalright

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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    I don't understand how a breast and a bottle are different. Both are feeding children. Yes we use breasts for sexual purposes (well we, my partner and I do) but I also use my hands and my mouth for sexual purposes, I give birth to my babies through my vagina but that also has a sexual function. How is me showing my hand or my mouth in public any more sexual than my breast?

    Assuming that sexualization is the root reason for peoples discomfort.
    While I do agree with the logic that you have put forward, we need to remember that we are talking about emotions and social conditioning, which don't always follow that kind of cut and dry logic. Most of us have been brought up in this society where women's breast are presented in highly sexualised way. We have been taught from a young age that 'respectable' women cover their breasts in public - the only breasts that we do see in public are in a presented in a sexual context. With this type of social conditioning it is not at all surprising that many people find it difficult to see a breast displayed in public (or display their own breasts in public) and disassociate the sexual connotations that go along with it.

    I think the publicity that this issue has generated over the past few days has been really great to get people to confront their own perceptions of what is appropriate and what breasts actually for, and I'm extremely glad that we, as a society, are starting to move away from the narrow minded perception of breasts. But, i can understand that it will take some time (and probably a lot more work like that done by the people attending the nurse-in), before we can really get rid of that ingrained idea that breasts are primarily sexual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meg2 View Post
    While I do agree with the logic that you have put forward, we need to remember that we are talking about emotions and social conditioning, which don't always follow that kind of cut and dry logic. Most of us have been brought up in this society where women's breast are presented in highly sexualised way. We have been taught from a young age that 'respectable' women cover their breasts in public - the only breasts that we do see in public are in a presented in a sexual context. With this type of social conditioning it is not at all surprising that many people find it difficult to see a breast displayed in public (or display their own breasts in public) and disassociate the sexual connotations that go along with it.

    I think the publicity that this issue has generated over the past few days has been really great to get people to confront their own perceptions of what is appropriate and what breasts actually for, and I'm extremely glad that we, as a society, are starting to move away from the narrow minded perception of breasts. But, i can understand that it will take some time (and probably a lot more work like that done by the people attending the nurse-in), before we can really get rid of that ingrained idea that breasts are primarily sexual.
    I totally agree but I fail to see how it's the breastfeeders job to protect these people from feeling like this (by being modest/discreet) people can call me uncourteous all they want I'm not doing anything wrong.

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    Default Nurse in at Sunrise- sydney

    Meg2, what an excellent comment about discomfort and social conditioning. While I am wholeheartedly in support of public, cover-less, unannounced breastfeeding, where my baby's need to feed comes first, it can't be ignored that some people, for the reasons you outlined, do feel uncomfortable seeing breasts exposed. Yes they need to examine why that is and accept the naturalness of breastfeeding, but their discomfort is sometimes a result of socialisation and cultural conditioning.

    Eta: I also don't believe the bf-ing mother has to change HER behaviour to accommodate this discomfort!!
    Last edited by TreeGirl; 24-01-2013 at 11:08.

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    Of course there are social reasons as to why some are uncomfortable with breastfeeding in public. There are loads of things that some people are uncomfortable with that are perfectly legal. They still have no right to ask that person to stop their behaviour if they are protected by law. One example I thought of to compare is homosexual couples in public. My ex boss was hugely homophobic, and seeing two men or two women holding hands or kissing in public...we never heard the end of it. But they are doing nothing wrong at all My boss would have been in the wrong if he harassed them!

    If breastfeeding women hide away, and cave in to a loud minority who think they beling behind closed doors things will never change. The campaign has been great to outline the legalities and social implications of asking women feeding their babies to cover up or move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    I totally agree but I fail to see how it's the breastfeeders job to protect these people from feeling like this (by being modest/discreet) people can call me uncourteous all they want I'm not doing anything wrong.
    That's exactly right, you are under no obligation to change what you are doing. People all have their own comfort zones, some are inappropriate (like the homophobia I mentioned). Some take issue with mothers working, people of different races, people with mohawks...whatever. People don't have to change their behaviour to appease people's comforts or not many of us would be able to keave the house. I know I was promptly scorned by an older woman for wearing short shorts, not my problem!

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