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    Quote Originally Posted by HugsBunny View Post
    I think the difference is that the way you ask opens up the opportunity for the woman to 'offer' the information, rather than you putting her on the backfoot and outright asking if she has childcare arrangements in place.
    I guess that is true. So maybe that is clumsy interviewing.

    I have in my job ad that the field is related to pregnancy so you must be comfortable discussing this.

    I still get a huge amount of replies from teenage boys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chew the Mintie View Post
    I mean the effect is the same
    Just because the end result is the same, doesn't mean that the way the questions are raised doesn't matter.

    We may have to agree to disagree hun but I think the two arguments are completely different.

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    Anyway I had probably better stop feeling sorry for myself re no workers and moaning on bh and go and actually do some work myself

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    I wasn't going to post here, but I just wanted to say my husband was asked about child care etc during his interview, once when he got into the company and a second times when he was applying for a higher role.


    He told them I was a SAHM, their reply "Oh excellent" when my husband told me that I was quite p!ssed off to tell you the truth.
    My husband also told them our dd has some medical things that will occasionally need attending to, ie; hospital visits, that he would like to attend, they had no issue offering him careers leave for when those appointment times came up or in the case of an emergency, that I was great-full for but I don't think it was their place to ask about child care in such a blunt way, like it was a deal breaker. I was more disgusted in there response! "Oh excellent" it just really got to me.

    When I went on maternity leave, my position was legally kept for 1 year, I went back in when dd was 4mo to talk to my boss about coming back.
    I work in the beauty industry and I asked if I could finnish at 3 instead of 5 but work the late Thursday nights and weekends (the hours no one else wanted)
    My boss was very horrible about it, he knew my mother was living with us at the time and he was even saying to me "Can't your mum just look after the baby?" Umm no she works too mate..
    Ok fair enough as a business owner that wasn't going to suit him but he didn't have to be so dam condescending about it all, I even had his wife ask me when I was planing to have my next baby, I told her not for a long time and her reply was "But X was unplanned, will that happen again" I told them that was not their business etc to which they replied "This maternity leave has been a real pain for us, we don't think we could go through it again"
    In the end they gave my position to a single lady with no children..
    At the end of the day my family comes first!
    And yes I did take the matter further with my them and I'm so glad I did.

    Im sorry but I don't care what business you are running family comes first, Regardless of wether they have kids or not every person has a family, they come before work.
    Would you ask a child free woman what her partner was like because your worried he might have medical issues etc that will take them away from work? No.
    Do you ask a young man what his parents are like in the hopes they don't constantly cause drama effecting his work? No.
    Oh so many things..
    There is a 3 month probation in place for a reason, yeah you might loose money.. it's just part of owning a business..
    I use to have my own salon before we moved states and you know what, it is frustrating when the person you hire isn't what you thought.
    But you catch onto it, learn from it and move on to someone who will put more effort in, and bring more money to the Business. The money you loose with bad employees returns its self pretty quickly when you hire the right person.

    OP, if you feel like you have been discriminated against, take it further! What do you have to loose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by αληθη View Post
    But I'm not saying that. I'm saying asking certain questions about someones situation can show a lot about the person. The whole interview could be considered discrimination then if you want to say it like that, because it's culling out everyone who isn't suitable. An employer has to think of their business, not about everyone's feelings because some people may be brilliantly qualified but still not right for the job because of their attitude or even some circumstances that they can control but don't. It's not saying everyone is like that and it's not saying that it stops every person in a certain situation to get the job, it's finding the correct person who deals with their situations in a professional and responsible way that will benefit the company.
    Of course you can ask questions - around skills and experience. I'm a shocked at the attitudes of some hirers in this thread that they are doing people a favour by hiring them. Employees make you money, they wouldn't be hired if they didn't. The way I see it, it's a symbiotic relationship, the employer gains from staff improving their bottom line and staff gain from being paid for their services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chew the Mintie View Post

    You have no plan to work out how you will fit work in around your kids? Goodbye.
    I don't think anyone is saying a parent applying for a job doesn't need a plan. If one parent is already working f/t then of course the 2nd parent has to have some form of care. The issue is directly asking what care arrangements they have. That's like asking someone if they can get transport to work, surely that's a given?

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    I was also asked that in a interview, and they also asked me if I planned on having more children! I said no- but I lied!

    I would be saying something!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BbBbBh View Post
    So yesterday I went for an interview with a workplace that I really admire. The interview went for 30 minutes and then I was asked to stay behind for the work meeting.

    Within the first few minutes of the interview one of the panel (who I have greatly admired from a distance) asked me the age of my children, my daycare arrangements and where I get support from if I need back up care. I was so taken aback as I have never been asked about my childcare arrangements and I fumbled the rest of the interview as I was then on the back foot. Anyway the woman called me today whilst I was busy saying she 'didn't think the timing was right for me in this role' and she felt 'I didn't have the required experience (I have more than enough in this specialised area). I thanked her for the opportunity, let her know I was disappointed and I hung up.

    I am now feeling that I need to let her know that I spent most of the interview feeling disempowered and ill at ease due to the childcare questions. If I don't share this information with her then I don't feel I am being true to myself and congruent. I don't expect it to change anything nor would that be the purpose of an email but I don't want to waste time kicking myself if I don't say anything. She is quite a powerful person in my field so I would word it carefully.

    What do you think? Would you say something in order to be true to yourself?
    That is a totally inappropriate line of questioning! I'd let her know!

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    As much as I sympathise with the small business owners in this thread because, lets be honest, some people really do take the **** with what they expect employers to put up with, there is no doubt that being asked about anything to do with familiy responsibilities is illegal.

    This is from VIC but each state is pretty much similar - http://www.humanrightscommission.vic...1193&Itemid=23

    I work in HR for a global finance company and have had to "defend" claims of a similar nature. I put that in inverted commas because the claim was actually 100% valid as inappropriate questions were asked at an interview, even though they were asked innocently by a naive manager who thought he was just making conversation.

    HR now always attends interviews with managers and training was done with everyone on what cannot be asked under ANY circumstances.

    The catch 22 childcare/job thing is a real issue. I just got a childcare spot for March in inner Melbourne which is basically like winning the lottery! I have already paid for two weeks, although I have no idea yet if I will actually be allowed to return part-time. So I could be out of pocket $700 bucks.

    To the person who mentioned it should only take a couple of weeks - you obviously don't live in a metropolitan city. It took me 14 months!! This is why it is a valid concern for employers (but they still can't ask).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulahoop View Post
    Sorry just to add - is the position a 'normal' working role, or is it nights/shifts etc? Still might not make it right to ask the questions, but the company might be just working out if you are indeed the right person for the role?
    I think it's actually discrimination.


 

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