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    Yay - a real expert! Thanks for taking the time to write such a wonderful, comprehensive reply, Dr Mummy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by drmummy View Post
    Just to declare my conflict of interest, I am an infectious disease research scientist who's research has contributed to vaccine development, specifically rotavirus vaccination.

    Re: autism and vaccination, yes that research was fraudulent and of the 244 papers examining this possible link, none have shown a causative association and the vast majority are examining the parental confusion following the online, unsubstantiated claims of such a link.

    Re: debate of this issue, it is critical to have open discussion without any judgement. The vast majority of concerned parents are lacking the whole story and crave to understand vaccination before forcing it on their cherished babies. Therefore both sides of the debate should stick only to the facts and remove all emotive argument. I totally understand the emotions associated with vaccination and its risks, and cried at all of my son's infant vaccinations. But I have not yet heard any argument in 20 years of my own research that would convince me that vaccination is a greater risk to his life than the diseases that vaccination protect against. Information on the Internet, unless it is, or cites, refereed published data (ie the article was independently reviewed by several specialists in the field prior to publication), is purely opinion, not fact. Parents should not be making decisions about their children's health based on other people's opinion alone.

    Re: transmission of disease by vaccinated v unvaccinated individuals. As I previously said, no vaccine has 100% efficacy against infection and yes infected vaccinated individuals can still spread the infection. In fact, vaccination induces an immune memory that is recalled and expanded upon exposure to infection. Therefore most of us will develop low grade/asymptomatic infections with vaccine-preventable pathogens many times in our lives that are halted before disease develops due to the recall of our vaccine-induced immune memory. Vaccination, even when only partial, will reduce the infectivity of shed bacteria/virus in most cases, particularly viral infection. Also, because a vaccinated individual will already have a pre-existing immune response, albeit substandard if vaccination was not protective, they will be infectious for a much shorter period of time than a totally naive individual that has to develop an immune response to the infection entirely from scratch. So yes, a vaccinated person could be responsible for transmission of whopping cough to a newborn baby, but the risk is measurably less than for an entirely unvaccinated individual. Also, as I said previously, whooping cough is a difficult disease to control because immunity is so short lived. But that is why parents and grand parents should be vaccinated a new baby is on the scene and as such transmission during the neonatal period will be reduced. Also the mother's circulating antibody that passes into the baby's blood in utero will help to protect the baby for the first few months of life until their own vaccinations take effect.

    Keep talking people 'cos its the only way that the truth can be sorted from the fiction and people can make fully informed decisions.
    Thank you for a wonderfully detailed post. It's not often I see something written in such detail yet with simple explanations on here.

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    What a great post DrMummy!!! Someone who really knows what they are talking about. Thanks for helping to contribute to people's understanding

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    Quote Originally Posted by drmummy View Post
    Just to declare my conflict of interest, I am an infectious disease research scientist who's research has contributed to vaccine development, specifically rotavirus vaccination.

    Re: autism and vaccination, yes that research was fraudulent and of the 244 papers examining this possible link, none have shown a causative association and the vast majority are examining the parental confusion following the online, unsubstantiated claims of such a link.

    Re: debate of this issue, it is critical to have open discussion without any judgement. The vast majority of concerned parents are lacking the whole story and crave to understand vaccination before forcing it on their cherished babies. Therefore both sides of the debate should stick only to the facts and remove all emotive argument. I totally understand the emotions associated with vaccination and its risks, and cried at all of my son's infant vaccinations. But I have not yet heard any argument in 20 years of my own research that would convince me that vaccination is a greater risk to his life than the diseases that vaccination protect against. Information on the Internet, unless it is, or cites, refereed published data (ie the article was independently reviewed by several specialists in the field prior to publication), is purely opinion, not fact. Parents should not be making decisions about their children's health based on other people's opinion alone.

    Re: transmission of disease by vaccinated v unvaccinated individuals. As I previously said, no vaccine has 100% efficacy against infection and yes infected vaccinated individuals can still spread the infection. In fact, vaccination induces an immune memory that is recalled and expanded upon exposure to infection. Therefore most of us will develop low grade/asymptomatic infections with vaccine-preventable pathogens many times in our lives that are halted before disease develops due to the recall of our vaccine-induced immune memory. Vaccination, even when only partial, will reduce the infectivity of shed bacteria/virus in most cases, particularly viral infection. Also, because a vaccinated individual will already have a pre-existing immune response, albeit substandard if vaccination was not protective, they will be infectious for a much shorter period of time than a totally naive individual that has to develop an immune response to the infection entirely from scratch. So yes, a vaccinated person could be responsible for transmission of whopping cough to a newborn baby, but the risk is measurably less than for an entirely unvaccinated individual. Also, as I said previously, whooping cough is a difficult disease to control because immunity is so short lived. But that is why parents and grand parents should be vaccinated a new baby is on the scene and as such transmission during the neonatal period will be reduced. Also the mother's circulating antibody that passes into the baby's blood in utero will help to protect the baby for the first few months of life until their own vaccinations take effect.

    Keep talking people 'cos its the only way that the truth can be sorted from the fiction and people can make fully informed decisions.
    I do vax. But I do have a question in regards to your comment about babies having the mothers immunity for a couple of months after being born. My DP and I had the wc booster just as we were walking out the door with our LO. Then 2 weeks later he started showing symptoms of having wc. At 4 weeks old he was diagnosed with wc. My older daughter had brought it home after catching it from her teacher at school.
    My question to you is he had wc. He was ebf. How could he not be immune?
    I am genuinely interested in this topic. I still do vaccinate my kids. I've seen whooping cough first hand and it is really scary watching your newborn baby turn violet after his coughing fits.
    Thank you

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    Also, when reading pro/anti vaccination info remember that we are a postvaccination generation in a very lucky country. We didn't grow up gasping for breath before vomitting with each whoop, watching our baby siblings dying from infantile infectious diseases, deafened by in utero rubella, left brain damaged from measles-induced meningitis, visiting young parents in their iron lungs following poliomyelitis, or losing our mothers at birth due to postnatal tetanus.

    Having helped the forgotten polio patients go for their "walks" on their motorized beds to the sound of their complex breathing apparatus at Fairfield hospital, I am very aware of not jumping intentionally into the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Msbecb View Post
    I do vax. But I do have a question in regards to your comment about babies having the mothers immunity for a couple of months after being born. My DP and I had the wc booster just as we were walking out the door with our LO. Then 2 weeks later he started showing symptoms of having wc. At 4 weeks old he was diagnosed with wc. My older daughter had brought it home after catching it from her teacher at school.
    My question to you is he had wc. He was ebf. How could he not be immune?
    I am genuinely interested in this topic. I still do vaccinate my kids. I've seen whooping cough first hand and it is really scary watching your newborn baby turn violet after his coughing fits.
    Thank you
    I thought there was about 5 strains of wc .. Almost all covered .. Except one that has " broken through" .. The vax is being tweaked and should be done early next year.... I have heard this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Msbecb View Post
    I do vax. But I do have a question in regards to your comment about babies having the mothers immunity for a couple of months after being born. My DP and I had the wc booster just as we were walking out the door with our LO. Then 2 weeks later he started showing symptoms of having wc. At 4 weeks old he was diagnosed with wc. My older daughter had brought it home after catching it from her teacher at school.
    My question to you is he had wc. He was ebf. How could he not be immune?
    I am genuinely interested in this topic. I still do vaccinate my kids. I've seen whooping cough first hand and it is really scary watching your newborn baby turn violet after his coughing fits.
    Thank you
    How absolutely terrifying for you! Did your baby recover? I sure hope so. Maybe it's worthwhile to elaborate on what it's like for a newborn to have whooping cough, just so people are aware of how dreadful it is.

    As for your daughter's teacher, I'm horrified, frankly, that someone who works with children would be so irresponsible not to be protected against something preventable.

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    I vaxxed DS1 and to schedule. DS2 however we delayed. He was meant to get them at 8 weeks like planned but he came down with RSV and was hospitalised and was quite sick. The Drs didn't want to do it until he was well enough which was weeks later.

    He had all 3 doses of the rotavirus vaccines and yet he contracted rotavirus at 16ish months old and he was horribly sick and hospitalised again. I'd hate to see how much sicker he would have been had he not been vaccinated.

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    Glad to help. This is such an important issue for everyone of us, regardless of our individual opinions on it. Continued, informed debate is critical.

    Msbecb, I'm sorry to hear your LO had WC. I hope she recovered well. I had it as a teenager and I swore I would do everything possible to reduce the risk to my children. It is incredibly traumatic for all involved and I tore my abdominal muscles on my left side from the coughing. I was also vaccinated after I'd already given birth. Unfortunately, you will only pass protection to your baby's blood if you already had antibodies when pregnant. Although I made sure my rubella was up to date, I didn't even think of being vaccinated for whooping cough before becoming pregnant and I wasn't too keen on having it whilst pregnant (just a gut feeling, no science to back that feeling up). As it is a respiratory infection, breast milk won't help either. At least you kept well and were able to be there for your LO when she needed you. As bad as it was, it could have been a whole lot worse if you all had have acquired it.

    Best wishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drmummy View Post
    Just to declare my conflict of interest, I am an infectious disease research scientist who's research has contributed to vaccine development, specifically rotavirus vaccination.

    Re: autism and vaccination, yes that research was fraudulent and of the 244 papers examining this possible link, none have shown a causative association and the vast majority are examining the parental confusion following the online, unsubstantiated claims of such a link.

    Re: debate of this issue, it is critical to have open discussion without any judgement. The vast majority of concerned parents are lacking the whole story and crave to understand vaccination before forcing it on their cherished babies. Therefore both sides of the debate should stick only to the facts and remove all emotive argument. I totally understand the emotions associated with vaccination and its risks, and cried at all of my son's infant vaccinations. But I have not yet heard any argument in 20 years of my own research that would convince me that vaccination is a greater risk to his life than the diseases that vaccination protect against. Information on the Internet, unless it is, or cites, refereed published data (ie the article was independently reviewed by several specialists in the field prior to publication), is purely opinion, not fact. Parents should not be making decisions about their children's health based on other people's opinion alone.

    Re: transmission of disease by vaccinated v unvaccinated individuals. As I previously said, no vaccine has 100% efficacy against infection and yes infected vaccinated individuals can still spread the infection. In fact, vaccination induces an immune memory that is recalled and expanded upon exposure to infection. Therefore most of us will develop low grade/asymptomatic infections with vaccine-preventable pathogens many times in our lives that are halted before disease develops due to the recall of our vaccine-induced immune memory. Vaccination, even when only partial, will reduce the infectivity of shed bacteria/virus in most cases, particularly viral infection. Also, because a vaccinated individual will already have a pre-existing immune response, albeit substandard if vaccination was not protective, they will be infectious for a much shorter period of time than a totally naive individual that has to develop an immune response to the infection entirely from scratch. So yes, a vaccinated person could be responsible for transmission of whopping cough to a newborn baby, but the risk is measurably less than for an entirely unvaccinated individual. Also, as I said previously, whooping cough is a difficult disease to control because immunity is so short lived. But that is why parents and grand parents should be vaccinated a new baby is on the scene and as such transmission during the neonatal period will be reduced. Also the mother's circulating antibody that passes into the baby's blood in utero will help to protect the baby for the first few months of life until their own vaccinations take effect.

    Keep talking people 'cos its the only way that the truth can be sorted from the fiction and people can make fully informed decisions.
    Awesome post, thanks so much for sharing your knowledge!


 

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