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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Bec~ View Post
    Just don't get him started on homeopathy...
    Ha! Me either! Off topic, but your DH may appreciate this
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/healt...202-2aoxk.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maybelline View Post
    Atropos your knowledge is wonderful .. How I wish people had the smarts like you !! I am amazed you even keep conversing with some of these posts .. I feel Like hitting my head against a wall!!
    Thank you, what a lovely thing to say

    This is a subject I'm super passionate about, in case you can't tell!

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    Recent studies have shown living on busy roads being a contributor of cases of autism ..due to mass fumes being ingested by the mother ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Why would you fear polio or smallpox? They have been eradicated in this country, due to mass vaccination. Argue that one all you like, that is FACT.
    ^ This. You beat me to it, Atropos.

    Another FACT is that unvaccinated babies may DIE from whooping cough, or may be left BRAIN DAMAGED if they survive. That's why I was terrified of it when my son was a newborn - and that fear was completely justified because this disease is becoming more prevalent due to declining vaccination rates.

    I think it's time I posted another link to the Australian Academy of Science's new document 'The Science of Immunisation: Questions and Answers': http://www.science.org.au/policy/immunisation.html

    The document above has been published by a very highly qualified group of Australian scientists and doctors aiming to dispel the countless myths about immunisation being peddled on the Internet.

    Frankly, it's just plain arrogant when lay people claim to know better than such medical professionals. But you know what? If people just came out and said "I haven't vaccinated my child because I'm afraid of these possible side effects that everyone's talking about on the Internet", then maybe things could be discussed in a more rational manner, because then at least they're admitting that they're unsure and they need more information. And that's when you seek the counsel of a QUALIFIED MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL to have your questions answers, NOT go digging around on the Net.

    We're allowed to be afraid of the 'what ifs' in life - it's part-and-parcel of being a parent. But the FACT is that there is a much more real chance that our children will contract whooping cough or tetanus or measles and end up fighting for their lives than there is that vaccines might be behind an unproven (or even disproven) rise in autism or food allergies or ADHD or whatever other medical condition we're afraid of and don't really understand. And that's why I choose to vaccinate my children - to protect them from the real, proven threats.

    In an ideal world, this entire discussion would only be debated on proven facts instead of unproven theories borne out of fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meags82 View Post
    Whilst polio has been eradicated in this country for many many years due to the frequency of overseas travel Australian hospitals have treated 2 cases of polio in the last 5 years. Yes that is only 2 cases but polio is spread thru the same route as gastro- I nursed one of the boys with polio. He was infected for 2 weeks and was in the community- going out and about before he went to hospital with severe muscle weakness- 2 weeks after arriving on a plane from India. Im not suggesting this boy was a grot who didn't wash his hands after too letting etc but with the majority of society having poor hygiene practices and this boy wandering about supermarkets, the Uni he was attending and other public places the chance of transmission was huge. If no one in Australia was vaxxed how many people would he have infected. Polio will be eradicated world wide by the end of 2014 but immunology research suggests we should continue to vax for at least another 10 years to ensure the virus is completely eradicated.
    ^ This. We don't live in isolation, so we need to protect ourselves against diseases that may be brought in by people who've travelled abroad.

    On the flip side, there are vaccines specific to other countries that you ought to receive when you travel there (ie rabies, Japanese encephalitis, yellow fever, etc). Polio is a world-wide threat, whereas the other diseases I mentioned are animal- or mosquito-borne.
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    I always love when pro vaxes get on their soap boxes and take dogs at non or delayed vaxers its all so predictable.

    Non vaxers are to blame for it all gotcha, so if a not fully vaxed kid gives it to another not fully vaxed kid (because of age they are fully done) is it then that kids fault or only if its a non vaxing family. It is possible for a children who are not fully vaccinated to still get these and pass it on.

    You can dicount people's feelings all you want the truth is its their right to do their research and do what they want with their kids. I would bet the majority of non vaxers have done more research than the majority of vaxers because not vaxing takes research to come to the conclusion you dont want to vax where as most people who vax do so because its what they are told to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovemyfam View Post
    I always love when pro vaxes get on their soap boxes and take dogs at non or delayed vaxers its all so predictable.

    Non vaxers are to blame for it all gotcha, so if a not fully vaxed kid gives it to another not fully vaxed kid (because of age they are fully done) is it then that kids fault or only if its a non vaxing family. It is possible for a children who are not fully vaccinated to still get these and pass it on.

    You can dicount people's feelings all you want the truth is its their right to do their research and do what they want with their kids. I would bet the majority of non vaxers have done more research than the majority of vaxers because not vaxing takes research to come to the conclusion you dont want to vax where as most people who vax do so because its what they are told to do.
    Idiot!
    I feel i should say more .... But I feel to ill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovemyfam View Post
    I always love when pro vaxes get on their soap boxes and take dogs at non or delayed vaxers its all so predictable.

    Non vaxers are to blame for it all gotcha, so if a not fully vaxed kid gives it to another not fully vaxed kid (because of age they are fully done) is it then that kids fault or only if its a non vaxing family. It is possible for a children who are not fully vaccinated to still get these and pass it on.

    You can dicount people's feelings all you want the truth is its their right to do their research and do what they want with their kids. I would bet the majority of non vaxers have done more research than the majority of vaxers because not vaxing takes research to come to the conclusion you dont want to vax where as most people who vax do so because its what they are told to do.
    Just curious, have you gathered your info from a GP or from google??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovemyfam View Post
    I always love when pro vaxes get on their soap boxes and take dogs at non or delayed vaxers its all so predictable.

    Non vaxers are to blame for it all gotcha, so if a not fully vaxed kid gives it to another not fully vaxed kid (because of age they are fully done) is it then that kids fault or only if its a non vaxing family. It is possible for a children who are not fully vaccinated to still get these and pass it on.

    You can dicount people's feelings all you want the truth is its their right to do their research and do what they want with their kids. I would bet the majority of non vaxers have done more research than the majority of vaxers because not vaxing takes research to come to the conclusion you dont want to vax where as most people who vax do so because its what they are told to do.
    Could you possibly be any more condescending?

    Not one person said that non vaxxers are "to blame for it all", no one said vaccinated children couldn't pass on illnesses ( though it is less likely) and to claim people who vax don't do as much research is presumptuous in the extreme. And people who vax rely on the fact that the research has been done for them by qualified scientists. Years of study and research has been used to formulate the current vax schedule. I'm not a scientist myself so yes, I trust the professionals to do it for me. There is no logical reason a govt would set out o fund a program to make us sick or autistic.

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