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    If people are going to start bandying about unproven theories they've simply found on the Internet about the possible causes of autism, then why are we just limiting it to vaccines? I know how to use Google better than most people - I'm a journalist, after all - so let's see what else I could find...

    [about eight seconds later]

    ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_autism

    People, we're starting to enter unhelpful territory here - we have to accept that medical scientists don't yet know why autism rates appear to be rising, just as we have to accept that the overwhelming evidence shows that vaccines are not to blame. If you're afraid that vaccinating your children will make them autistic, you ought to be comforted by this knowledge. Besides, Wikipedia - that great, omniscient cyber-being that makes experts out of all of us - tells us there are many other things to worry about instead [see above link].

    Please, if you're wary or unsure, talk to a real doctor - not Dr Google.

    Good night, folks - sleep well and worry about your Christmas credit card bills instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drmummy View Post
    Just to declare my conflict of interest, I am an infectious disease research scientist who's research has contributed to vaccine development, specifically rotavirus vaccination.

    Re: autism and vaccination, yes that research was fraudulent and of the 244 papers examining this possible link, none have shown a causative association and the vast majority are examining the parental confusion following the online, unsubstantiated claims of such a link.

    Re: debate of this issue, it is critical to have open discussion without any judgement. The vast majority of concerned parents are lacking the whole story and crave to understand vaccination before forcing it on their cherished babies. Therefore both sides of the debate should stick only to the facts and remove all emotive argument. I totally understand the emotions associated with vaccination and its risks, and cried at all of my son's infant vaccinations. But I have not yet heard any argument in 20 years of my own research that would convince me that vaccination is a greater risk to his life than the diseases that vaccination protect against. Information on the Internet, unless it is, or cites, refereed published data (ie the article was independently reviewed by several specialists in the field prior to publication), is purely opinion, not fact. Parents should not be making decisions about their children's health based on other people's opinion alone.

    Re: transmission of disease by vaccinated v unvaccinated individuals. As I previously said, no vaccine has 100% efficacy against infection and yes infected vaccinated individuals can still spread the infection. In fact, vaccination induces an immune memory that is recalled and expanded upon exposure to infection. Therefore most of us will develop low grade/asymptomatic infections with vaccine-preventable pathogens many times in our lives that are halted before disease develops due to the recall of our vaccine-induced immune memory. Vaccination, even when only partial, will reduce the infectivity of shed bacteria/virus in most cases, particularly viral infection. Also, because a vaccinated individual will already have a pre-existing immune response, albeit substandard if vaccination was not protective, they will be infectious for a much shorter period of time than a totally naive individual that has to develop an immune response to the infection entirely from scratch. So yes, a vaccinated person could be responsible for transmission of whopping cough to a newborn baby, but the risk is measurably less than for an entirely unvaccinated individual. Also, as I said previously, whooping cough is a difficult disease to control because immunity is so short lived. But that is why parents and grand parents should be vaccinated a new baby is on the scene and as such transmission during the neonatal period will be reduced. Also the mother's circulating antibody that passes into the baby's blood in utero will help to protect the baby for the first few months of life until their own vaccinations take effect.

    Keep talking people 'cos its the only way that the truth can be sorted from the fiction and people can make fully informed decisions.
    Oh since you have 'revealed' yourself can we pick your brain?

    I'm pro vax but fear the unknown.
    Could you tell us for how long a new vax is researched, animal tested, and how big is a sample group of people? Basically how long from lab to community.

    Re the autism vax debate that research group was only a handful of kids from memory, and the dr leading the research was later discredited and the study was found fraudulent.
    Research has been done after but a link never found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaShanty View Post
    How absolutely terrifying for you! Did your baby recover? I sure hope so. Maybe it's worthwhile to elaborate on what it's like for a newborn to have whooping cough, just so people are aware of how dreadful it is.

    As for your daughter's teacher, I'm horrified, frankly, that someone who works with children would be so irresponsible not to be protected against something preventable.
    Sorry been mia.

    It was horrifying watching my lil man go through it. At first the nursing staff didn't really believe anything was wrong as during the day he seemed fine. But as soon as the sun started to set so did the coughing fits. Where he would just cough turn violet. And vomited. They gave him oxygen thru the fits. That's when the staff treated him as genuinely having wc. And they kitted up with masks and gloves and gowns. That's when it became real. After a couple of days I went home. A day after that I received a call from population health in Qld. And I was told over the phone that it was whooping cough. I had to sit there for an hour telling them every person we had been in contact with and their phone number.

    He is now nearly 2 1/2 and fine. The cough lingered around for 100 days. It slowly went away and then one day I went oh he has stopped coughing.

    Our region at the time was in the middle of an outbreak of wc. It was after my LO had contracted it so young the age had changed to start the wc vax to 6 weeks of age.

    In regards to my daughter who was in gr 6 at the time she came home and told me her teacher was off as he had wc. I didn't even think it could enter my home. But it did. We survived. Most of the family did have it. All of the kids. But DP and I didn't. We had to be quarantined for 5 days. It was so hard not leaving your home for that long. That was over 2 years ago. And I still remember it like it was yesterday.
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    So totally pro-vaccination! I see no good reason not to do it - prevention is better than the cure, after all.

    It looks like I'll have to go back to work a lot sooner than expected so once bubs is born and fully vaccinated I'll be putting her in day care. Can anyone tell me if it's mandatory that kids are vaxxed before being able to attend day care? Kids pick up colds and gastro from day care, you can't help that, but I feel like if you've chosen not to vaccinate and send your kids out into the world you're potentially risking the health of my child, and that's not ok by me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drmummy View Post
    Although I made sure my rubella was up to date, I didn't even think of being vaccinated for whooping cough before becoming pregnant and I wasn't too keen on having it whilst pregnant (just a gut feeling, no science to back that feeling up).
    How interesting that a qualified professional in the field of science is using her gut feeling against being vaccinated during pregnancy. With no scientific evidence to prove there is a potential issue.

    Where do GPs sit in terms of vaccination of whooping cough during pregnancy, does anyone know? Is it declared safe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraH80 View Post
    So totally pro-vaccination! I see no good reason not to do it - prevention is better than the cure, after all.

    It looks like I'll have to go back to work a lot sooner than expected so once bubs is born and fully vaccinated I'll be putting her in day care. Can anyone tell me if it's mandatory that kids are vaxxed before being able to attend day care? Kids pick up colds and gastro from day care, you can't help that, but I feel like if you've chosen not to vaccinate and send your kids out into the world you're potentially risking the health of my child, and that's not ok by me.
    No of course it's not mandatory.

    But if your kid is fully vaxxed how are they more at risk? It's the ones who aren't that at more at risk and they have to stay home if there is an outbreak of anything such as WC, measles, etc, even without symptoms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraH80 View Post
    So totally pro-vaccination! I see no good reason not to do it - prevention is better than the cure, after all.

    It looks like I'll have to go back to work a lot sooner than expected so once bubs is born and fully vaccinated I'll be putting her in day care. Can anyone tell me if it's mandatory that kids are vaxxed before being able to attend day care? Kids pick up colds and gastro from day care, you can't help that, but I feel like if you've chosen not to vaccinate and send your kids out into the world you're potentially risking the health of my child, and that's not ok by me.
    They need to do a CO form and they can enroll in childcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BornToBe View Post
    How interesting that a qualified professional in the field of science is using her gut feeling against being vaccinated during pregnancy. With no scientific evidence to prove there is a potential issue.

    Where do GPs sit in terms of vaccination of whooping cough during pregnancy, does anyone know? Is it declared safe?
    My obstetrician finds it strange that we don't vaccinate for it during pregnancy. She is European and its a standard pregnancy vax over there. I believe it I'd in the UK as well, but not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    No of course it's not mandatory.

    But if your kid is fully vaxxed how are they more at risk? It's the ones who aren't that at more at risk and they have to stay home if there is an outbreak of anything such as WC, measles, etc, even with symptoms.
    You have a point! 😃 I blame my lack of sleep for not realising that. Stupid brain! 😖

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    I'm 21 weeks pregnant and I'm getting my WC booster next week with dp and my in laws.


 

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