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    Default Push to increase inadequate dole rejected.

    Quote Originally Posted by OJandMe View Post
    Family tax contributions are not considered 'parenting payments'

    They are a completely different thing given by the ATO, not centrelink. For 5 children there would be a family tax benefit, but it's not a centrelink payment, it's a government tax offset.
    No actually it's paid by the family assistance office not ATO. And it is most definitely not a tax offset it is a benefit.
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    lovemyfam- I actually put that up for you- as in people were saying stuff about your DH getting payments... tax benefits are not payments.

    Shoot the shield....

    someone's a tad defensive, yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mummajugs28 View Post
    No actually it's paid by the family assistance office not ATO. And it is most definitely not a tax offset it is a benefit.
    family assistance office, not ATO. corrected... Still a different department to clink though. It's a government tax offset, not an individual tax offset.. it's an individual benefit, but the government offsets the tax percentage by incorporating the returned benefits into the budget, essentially lowering the reported tax rate. (even though it's passed back to individuals disproportionately). That is my rudimentary understanding, though I'm possibly way off.

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    Default Push to increase inadequate dole rejected.

    $945/fn (as estimated earlier) for a single person with 1 kid is really good (if that's a correct figure!) we are living off not much more than that with 3 of us (that's with me working and no government benefits) Sure, we've had to get rid of non-essentials...but that never killed anyone.

    I do think the new start amount for a single person without kids seems quite small..although I presume you would get rent assistance on top of the base rate. However, I lived on less than that when I was single, studying and getting Youth Allowance. You make do. Honestly some of the figures I've seen in this thread are ridiculous-a single person doesn't need $110/wk for food. We spend less than that for the 3 of us. When I was getting YA I spent about $40 a week on food I think.

    I think it should be left as is- you do need some sort of initiative for people to get back into work. Needs to be assessed on a case by case scenario though so those really in need don't suffer. However all increases need to be balanced so that finding work is still the most attractive option.

    Having said all that- I am a big fan of work for the dole schemes for long term unemployed!

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    Default Re: Push to increase inadequate dole rejected.

    Single parents are eligible for JET they study, not work, my friend was only paying a couple of $ a day daycare. Most uni guilds offer book vouchers for low income students.

    I have mixed feelings on this

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    here are a few more points I found.

    Part of the Government's sales pitch will be that it will offer career counselling services and childcare at 10 cents an hour for parents who sign up for training or look for work.
    So there is going to be affordable child care which is good.

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    Under the changes, all single, unemployed parents would lose the Parenting Payment when their youngest child turns eight.For an unemployed, partnered parent, the payment would stop when their youngest child turns six.
    Those cut-offs were introduced in 2006 but were not applied to parents who were already receiving the support payment.
    So how I read this is anyone that got on payments in 2006 were already facing this reality so all they are doing is removing the grandfathered people and making them do what the other people are already having to do if they had a kid in 2006. Which seems fair to me, if a whole group of people who had kids in 2006 can do it those who had kids before can too.

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    Default Push to increase inadequate dole rejected.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mummajugs28 View Post
    You don't need a car if you only take on jobs in your area that can be accessed by local buses/trains or to which you could walk. With this company the client provides all cleaning needs you just take yourself.. I only used to clean houses only in my area as my husband took our car every day. And then I could walk or catch the bus to pick the kids up from school..
    It depends on how many clients the company has in the area.
    I used to hire a cleaner who had to give a ridiculous percentage of her pay to the company.

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    Hoorah! I work damn hard to keep people in the life they have - over it!!

    Yes there are exceptions of course, and that's what the payment is for - to help those in need! Not to help those lazy shyts who refuse to work. Sooooo, I have a proposal: take the payment from those who exploit it and divide it between those who need the extra!!! I should have been a politician!!!

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    Default Push to increase inadequate dole rejected.

    Quote Originally Posted by Merlsy View Post
    Hoorah! I work damn hard to keep people in the life they have - over it!!

    Yes there are exceptions of course, and that's what the payment is for - to help those in need! Not to help those lazy shyts who refuse to work. Sooooo, I have a proposal: take the payment from those who exploit it and divide it between those who need the extra!!! I should have been a politician!!!
    That old chestnut? My hard earned tax dollars Get over yourself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovemyfam View Post
    Which seems fair to me, if a whole group of people who had kids in 2006 can do it those who had kids before can too.
    I'm in this 'whole group who had kids before 2006'. There is no 'can do it'. I live under the poverty line. All this is going to do is let the rest of the single parents live under the poverty line too.


    ETA: What is often forgotten when reading or implementing policy changes is how it is actually going to work (or not work).


 

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