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    personally I dont see the point in continuing the welfare cycle, and forcing children to grow up in poverty. and the few true 'bludgers' out there wont get work if they cant survive on govt payments, and are far more likely to either work cash, or turn to crime.
    Its not as easy as 'just get a job' when DH looked in our town, he was unable to find anything local, for which he wasnt over qualified. (they wouldnt hire him out of fear he would get bored, or try to demand higher wages since he was more 'management' than 'team member' material)
    I personally would have to relocate 3500km for my old career, on my old salary.
    We are very fortunate to be able to live without needing to work (though DH now does 1 day a week) while DH studies, and without relying on welfare other than our family tax money.
    Thats very lucky for us, as there are ZERO OSHC places here, which dont require you to book your child in from 7-5, even though they are at school from 830-330, and of course pay for the whole day. (so with two kids its your entire average wage)

    Id rather that centrelink payments were higher, with more support for retraining and access to childcare (which of course involves more funding to childcare education, rather than the 'fee for service' which is currently being introduced in tafe, increasing fees by 200%, and lowering enrolments, as such expensive training for a low paid job is crazy!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    Are you able to work and have your partner stay home but don't get any govie benefits for your children? Purely out of interest sake, i wonder how we'll do that with 2 or 3 let alone 5. It must be hard to raise 5 kids on one income.
    Yes its not easy, The kids understand that we cant just go out and buy things like before so we save and buy things. We did well at christmas all the kids are getting nice gifts thanks to layaway that we did in June. Easy no doable yes

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    Default Re: Push to increase inadequate dole rejected.

    " As long as im right, stuff everyone else" pretty much sums up this thread



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    personally I prefer to take my $200 a week welfare (FTB) and spend that 8 hours with my kids.
    We do choose not to take any PP or Austudy (but have HCC) as we are only eligible thanks to our financial planners advice, and the associated paperwork Id have to fill out regularly is a headache.

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    This thread seems to have gone off topic and into people's personal situations.

    The thread is about newstart allowance and veto to changes to the newstart.

    (Ie. newstart does not include rent assistantance, family tax benefit or child support or other benefits which can be debated further, however, people who qualify for newstart do generally qualify for other benefits). So talk about baby bonus, or rent assistance, or ccb, or ftb A or ftb b can be relevant, however, it is not relevant to pull apart or question other member's payments they may or may not receive from the government while on newstart.

    ETA: further posts re: questioning other members personal situations may be removed.

    Please keep this on track regarding the newstart allowance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ana Gram View Post
    My brother had a similar problem. The only payment he qualified for when he had cancer was Newstart. Centrelink's argument was that he could look for work between chemo sessions. I'm sure he would have been a really attractive employee prospect; no hair from chemo, sick as a dog and not sure if he was actually going to live.

    Something is broken with the current system.
    This was my brother about 5 years ago, centre link wouldn't pay him unless he looked for work, which is near impossible when he was sick most days, endless appointments etc. I can't really remember what exactly but my father ended up getting in contact with the local parliament member and got him onto a disability pension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jez View Post
    Because their is a child care shortage crisis, not just in places but in shortage of staff. If everyone returned to work this would make the problem so much worse and as someone who has attended many many ministers meetings and working groups on the issue I can tell you the government has no frigging idea how to fix it. Many families simply cannot get Childcare places for their child/ren and if they do then often t is not on the days that match up to vacant jobs. also the Childcare environment is not ideal for all children and some children simple do not cope.
    I think your comment is very naive and you have little understanding of the struggles of find good quality Childcare in your area on days that match available job positions. I also don't think anyone should have to leave their child in Childcare if they find it heartbreaking to do so, which many mums do.
    I actually 100% agree with the childcare issues and I am not naive. I have been on 6 inner city waiting lists since I was 12 weeks pregnant and only just got a spot for when DS is 9 months old. I cried with relief as I was so scared I would have to resign and lose my job.

    So yes I agree something needs to be don't about childcare, including the cost as mine is $120 a day before rebate which means its definitely not a 50% rebate and we don't get CCB or anything.

    Your last point is the one I don't share the same view on, as harsh as I know it comes across. Yes it's hard to leave yours kids to go to work. But I still don't think the Govt should fully fund parents to stay home.

    Please note the use of the word fully - not saying there should be nothing as has been discussed before (someone told me about something called a parenting payment, for example).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothel View Post
    I don't know if this article has been quoted already but *this* is why its a massive issue for me to go back to work. I would take home next to nothing. And there are 1000's of women just like me.
    http://m.theage.com.au/national/moth...124-2a00y.html
    I do understand this. Around 50% of y post tax salary goes on childcare. But it is still 50% more than I'd have if I didn't work. And the alternative is living on benefits which I don't have to do so why would I?

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    Default Push to increase inadequate dole rejected.

    I have thought about this a bit more.... I realise I'm lucky as I have a career I
    enjoy which not everyone has. So is probably feel differently if I had a crappy job that I hated as then might not bother working if 50% went on daycare.

    But I still stand by my feeling that Govt handouts shouldn't give people similar amounts to if they are working. And before I get shot down I don't think that they are at all! But it's why I don't think they should be increased too much.

    I actually don't think $50 a week is too much and if it hasn't increased since the 90's then that's just stupid and probably should be so ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trishalishous View Post
    Its not as easy as 'just get a job' when DH looked in our town, he was unable to find anything local, for which he wasnt over qualified. (they wouldnt hire him out of fear he would get bored, or try to demand higher wages since he was more 'management' than 'team member' material)
    This is a very good point and one that gets overlooked a lot. It's all well and good for people to say go and get any job but that is dependent on employers actually hiring people who are overqualified. And the vast majority of employers will not do it.


 

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