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    personally I prefer to take my $200 a week welfare (FTB) and spend that 8 hours with my kids.
    We do choose not to take any PP or Austudy (but have HCC) as we are only eligible thanks to our financial planners advice, and the associated paperwork Id have to fill out regularly is a headache.

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    This thread seems to have gone off topic and into people's personal situations.

    The thread is about newstart allowance and veto to changes to the newstart.

    (Ie. newstart does not include rent assistantance, family tax benefit or child support or other benefits which can be debated further, however, people who qualify for newstart do generally qualify for other benefits). So talk about baby bonus, or rent assistance, or ccb, or ftb A or ftb b can be relevant, however, it is not relevant to pull apart or question other member's payments they may or may not receive from the government while on newstart.

    ETA: further posts re: questioning other members personal situations may be removed.

    Please keep this on track regarding the newstart allowance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ana Gram View Post
    My brother had a similar problem. The only payment he qualified for when he had cancer was Newstart. Centrelink's argument was that he could look for work between chemo sessions. I'm sure he would have been a really attractive employee prospect; no hair from chemo, sick as a dog and not sure if he was actually going to live.

    Something is broken with the current system.
    This was my brother about 5 years ago, centre link wouldn't pay him unless he looked for work, which is near impossible when he was sick most days, endless appointments etc. I can't really remember what exactly but my father ended up getting in contact with the local parliament member and got him onto a disability pension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jez View Post
    Because their is a child care shortage crisis, not just in places but in shortage of staff. If everyone returned to work this would make the problem so much worse and as someone who has attended many many ministers meetings and working groups on the issue I can tell you the government has no frigging idea how to fix it. Many families simply cannot get Childcare places for their child/ren and if they do then often t is not on the days that match up to vacant jobs. also the Childcare environment is not ideal for all children and some children simple do not cope.
    I think your comment is very naive and you have little understanding of the struggles of find good quality Childcare in your area on days that match available job positions. I also don't think anyone should have to leave their child in Childcare if they find it heartbreaking to do so, which many mums do.
    I actually 100% agree with the childcare issues and I am not naive. I have been on 6 inner city waiting lists since I was 12 weeks pregnant and only just got a spot for when DS is 9 months old. I cried with relief as I was so scared I would have to resign and lose my job.

    So yes I agree something needs to be don't about childcare, including the cost as mine is $120 a day before rebate which means its definitely not a 50% rebate and we don't get CCB or anything.

    Your last point is the one I don't share the same view on, as harsh as I know it comes across. Yes it's hard to leave yours kids to go to work. But I still don't think the Govt should fully fund parents to stay home.

    Please note the use of the word fully - not saying there should be nothing as has been discussed before (someone told me about something called a parenting payment, for example).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothel View Post
    I don't know if this article has been quoted already but *this* is why its a massive issue for me to go back to work. I would take home next to nothing. And there are 1000's of women just like me.
    http://m.theage.com.au/national/moth...124-2a00y.html
    I do understand this. Around 50% of y post tax salary goes on childcare. But it is still 50% more than I'd have if I didn't work. And the alternative is living on benefits which I don't have to do so why would I?

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    Default Push to increase inadequate dole rejected.

    I have thought about this a bit more.... I realise I'm lucky as I have a career I
    enjoy which not everyone has. So is probably feel differently if I had a crappy job that I hated as then might not bother working if 50% went on daycare.

    But I still stand by my feeling that Govt handouts shouldn't give people similar amounts to if they are working. And before I get shot down I don't think that they are at all! But it's why I don't think they should be increased too much.

    I actually don't think $50 a week is too much and if it hasn't increased since the 90's then that's just stupid and probably should be so ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trishalishous View Post
    Its not as easy as 'just get a job' when DH looked in our town, he was unable to find anything local, for which he wasnt over qualified. (they wouldnt hire him out of fear he would get bored, or try to demand higher wages since he was more 'management' than 'team member' material)
    This is a very good point and one that gets overlooked a lot. It's all well and good for people to say go and get any job but that is dependent on employers actually hiring people who are overqualified. And the vast majority of employers will not do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ana Gram View Post
    This is a very good point and one that gets overlooked a lot. It's all well and good for people to say go and get any job but that is dependent on employers actually hiring people who are overqualified. And the vast majority of employers will not do it.
    Yes this is exactly right. My older brother is nearly 40, has had a long career and extensive experience in upper management, has always worked very hard and would even go in on the weekends, and got 'manager of the year' on more than one occasion.

    He is the last person on earth I would have thought would end up unemployed at this point in his life but it happened, right after the Brisbane floods where he lost his car and had extensive damage to his house.

    He went in to a kind of depression and had to relocate back to NSW for a while while he got back on his feet. He went in to a partnership with another guy and spent the next year setting up a business, only for the other guy to run the finances of the business into the ground.

    My brother walked away from this and had to end up coming to live with me, a single Mum who's now been supporting my brother as he's been out of work for a year and a half and has no money left.

    Going into Centrelink recently was probably the hardest thing he's ever had to do as he is such a proud person, but he has been struggling to find another job! He is 'overqualified' or 'under-referenced' at this point for every position and it's very frustrating for him, not to mention hard on me as well.

    Now he should have a good job hopefully by the end of next week, BUT it's very clear to me how easily people can fall on hard times and how easy it is to get into a rutt. T

    he longer you're out of work the harder it can be to get out there and have the confidence in interviews that usef to come so naturally. Having children on top of that can be almost crippling for many people.

    It's just such a complex issue - unemployment, and there's no easy fix. AND it's not just the individula who is affected by it, what about the families who have to support them during hard times? It's so stresful for everyone involved. I truly believe my brother would have struggled to even get out the door and go to interviews if it weren't for his family providing support, accommodation, food, and constant encouragement and validation of his skills. As it is, he will have to travel to Sydney (1.5 hours each way) once he starts work again but he is more than willing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ana Gram View Post
    This is a very good point and one that gets overlooked a lot. It's all well and good for people to say go and get any job but that is dependent on employers actually hiring people who are overqualified. And the vast majority of employers will not do it.
    Yep this was the issue hubby had when he was made redundant, he was over qualified for his currant career but underqualified for the next stage up we were very very (very) lucky that the jobseeker company he was allocated were finally willing to pay for him to do one certificate and he started work the day after he completed that course. There def needs to be more training available for those on newstart.

    ETA I should probably add that yes he was looking for work while on newstart but he had the same issue as pp have mentioned, employers not wanting to higher someone over qualified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakois View Post
    Oh what rot!

    Your opinion is rather insulting and very narrow minded.

    Just to let you know, I'm not a single mother. We live in a two high income household. Yet, I am fortunate enough not to have my head up my butt.

    You never know what's around the corner and one day life might just make you live what you have judged .
    Choo choo choo!

    The Karma train is acoming!!!!

    Be afraid...be very afraid. Arrogance has a way of biting people in the butt!

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