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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    People even questioning why we have to work blows my mind.

    What's the alternative? Sit back and scrape an existence on Government benefits? What a great example to set our kids!
    Well at least you are willing to concede that it's not a life of luxury. Most other people imply that people on benefits are living it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby star View Post
    So you don't think there should be any form of parenting 'payement' then?

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    Do you mean like PPL? Yes I think that should exist. BB? Not sure. Most other countries seem to survive ok without it, but I don't presume to know the ins and outs of the social security systems in other countries.

    If you're asking if I think the Government should give payments high enough to allow parents (single or otherwise) to stay home for six years until their kid goes to school the answer is no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby star View Post
    Well Lilly appears to think it should not happen at all,
    I think 8 years is plenty of time,
    I think though once the youngest child is in school back to work programs should take affect, cutting $200 of someone is wrong, it should instead place a bigger focus on training etc so when the child is 8 a parent has a higher chance of a job.

    Single parents ARE limited more in work hours etc because care only goes certain hours and an employee is far more likely to employ someone who can work 'whenever' over someone limited to 9.15-2.45

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    Another who doesn't read all comments, I clearly said when they are school age! And I never said pay nothing I said they shouldn't get an increase and should be made to work or in the case of single parents study and then work once they recieve their qualification.

    Well seeing as people don't actually want to read, I'm leaving the convo to the rest of you, enjoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by lillytheo View Post
    Perhaps you missed my story and the previous comments I made, perhaps you just choose to take what you want from things and ignore the rest.

    I said i am happy to pay for those who have hit a rough patch, i am happy to pay until kids are school age but for long term bludgers no I'm not happy to pay and for those that despite having kids at school all day decide they cant work or study. I think in those circumstances they should be made to work for their handout. Never said leave them to starve, that's you putting your own interpretation and words into my comments.

    I am the child of a single mother, but she worked and she didn't receive support because she believes you should work for what you are given.

    I will be returning to work despite being considered "middle income" because we have to work for the things we need. That's how life is.

    Oh and the comment about being jealous of those on welfare, thank you sooo much I needed a great laugh!!!
    So do you get child care rebate?

    So, what is funny about being jealous of those on welfare? You obviously believe it's a life of luxury, perhaps you should try it if it's so good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    I have to admit I don't really understand the sentiment that women should be "paid" (I use that term loosely) to stay home until their kids are in school. I don't see why it's an issue to return to work earlier than that and have them in some sort of care.
    ok so a made up scenario....

    A woman is partnered with 3 young kids. The marriage breaks down, he won't pay CS. She has no proper training so would be working min wage jobs of say a grand a fortnight. It will cost her $200 a day in CC after JET runs out. She earns $100. She has no family to take the kids every day. So she decides when the eldest is 3 or 4 to study a degree to improve her wages. So she's not working.

    Flash forward 3 years and the youngest is in school and she has her degree. The problem is that in her profession you are expected to work until 6pm. She still has no family. Out of school care closes at 5pm. The ex also works long hours or is not having contact with the kids so won't pick them up. So she has to leave an hour early every day. After 6 months the workplace gets jack of it and tells her they are demoting her to a lower paid, less hours position since she is not fulfilling work commitments. She now can't pay her bills and has ruined any chance of a good work reference.

    This is why it isn't as easy as to say why don't you just stick them in care and work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    the problem with a lot of people's mentality is that single mum being a stay at home mum = bad. Partnered mum being a stay at home mum = great!
    I definitely don't think this! To be honest I think they should both work (unless the partnered Mum is lucky enough to be able to live off her partners income and doesn't want to work).

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    Quote Originally Posted by lillytheo View Post
    Return to work full time, I am currently on maternity leave (i know, don't die of shock, i would return to work despite my child not being school age !!) sell the house we've both been working for and downsize significantly. I am and have always been excellent at budgeting so I'm sure those skills will hold me in good steed & I'm sure I can get some tips from my mum on how to make it work, seeing as she raised two without support.
    Don't forget my husband is employed so I would receive some form of child support & he is a great Dad so he would want to have lots of access to his child.

    Oh and whilst I was a single mummy I wouldn't be having anymore kids, I'm sure that will help.

    It can be done ladies, you can be a single parent and work! I know people who have done/are doing it!! Particularly when you're kids are at school.

    But I guess those with the mentality that they are entitled to be handed everything would see it as too much like hard work and require effort and will never change their minds.
    You seem to have a one-size-fits-all approach to life. You have no idea if the complexity of people and their various situations. And certainly no compassion.

    oh and way to patronise single mums.

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    A lot of others came to similar conclusions to me, so I don't think we all just ignored your posts and all came to similar conclusions.
    Quote Originally Posted by lillytheo View Post
    I am the child of a single mother, but she worked and she didn't receive support because she believes you should work for what you are given.

    I will be returning to work despite being considered "middle income" because we have to work for the things we need. That's how life is.
    I agree with these ideals. I truly do. I think employment is great for self esteem, I think it is simply the best feeling in the world to look at everything you have and think "I earned that!"

    i can accept, though, that others have different priotities. And I do not believe that they should be punished for this. Some genuinely believe that children benefit from having a parent at home until school age. I do not believe that a SAHM should have to go against her beliefs simpy because her marriage ended.

    I also believe that having children should not be a privilidge reserved purely for the financially well off. The cost of living in this day and age is pretty extreme, and a LOT of families simply wouldn't be able to have children without things like BB (hence its introduction) and FTB. Pretty sure when FTB was introduced it was because "no child should be living in poverty in this country".

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    Quote Originally Posted by lillytheo View Post

    I will be returning to work despite being considered "middle income" because we have to work for the things we need. That's how life is.

    Well aren't you lucky to have work to 'return to' then. Its not that easy or simple for a lot of people. A lot of people have just recently lost their jobs, especially in Qld, and would dearly love to 'work for the things they need'. There are more unemployed people than jobs. And when you have children and are competing against young, childless people who can be more flexible its not a sure thing that you can just decide to work and go do it. Let alone when other conditions come into play such as mental health or physical disabilities.

    That's just how life is too. That's one reason we have welfare.

    And as cost of living has skyrocketed, and that is a fact that is well documented, so should welfare payments increase. Otherwise welfare has essentially gone down in real terms. Welfare payments are kept low for obvious reasons. So its not possible for them to decrease in real terms without placing people in severe financial distress. If cost of living goes up, welfare should go up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathermy View Post
    For the record that wasn't my suggestion at all, I too have no problem with BB, PPL etc. My point was that people receiving middle class 'welfare', 'help', 'bonus' etc are not smacked with the naughty stick in the way that others receiving such payments are. It's hypocritical. You don't see too many people forgoing their middle class welfare on the basis of moral high ground, and the way people bang on about new start & the pension etc you would think their righteous views would prevent them from accepting such 'handouts'.
    Tbh, I felt terrible today when I received my first ever mail from centrelink. I would love to be in a position where we wouldn't have to accept such hand outs. But I think that in this day and age, with living being so expensive, a "middle class" family doesn't really have the option. And I recognise that those people permanently on benefits live like that all the time. My heart truly goes out to those who are on benefits whilst trying to get back on their feet. Not so much for those who are on benefits because they feel entitled to it.

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