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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovemyfam View Post
    They could bring them up on no help from the government as another option (which would be a lot harder every cent the government gives should be appreciated IMO), the government helps how it can. I know of single parents who have not gotten help from the government and still managed to raise a child (children), work a job and go to school. I know not everyone can do that but that's why there is help out there to be used and used properly it works great in most cases.
    Ah, of course. The old 'I can do it, why can't you'.

    I can tell you that I wouldn't be able to finish my study with no help. People have different circumstances which affect their capabilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovemyfam View Post
    Its a defense often used in these threads if you ever received any payment ever then you can not think its bad to be on aid for eternity because you yourself used the system, even if as intended.
    So it's ok for your husband to stay at home with your kids, not work and receive government assistance, but children of single parents shouldn't be allowed to have their parents at home?

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    They are fixing the too expensive child care it will be .10 an hour for single parents meaning you could have your child in care 10 hours a day for $1 a day thats $5 a week, so they are trying to help and the money to cover the day care cost has to come form somewhere. I really think they are doing the right thing. Your idea about

    I actually support the move for SAHP's to return to work. My issue is 1) for single parents that are looking for work or studying they should get the same amount they did before but have to fulfill the criteria i.e. studying or looking for work
    IMO this is a good idea but it should kick in a lot earlier than when they get kicked off, it should start by at least 2 years after you get on aid that gives you 6 years to take advantage of the training, schooling etc it doesn't help after not doing much for 8 years to start once the money is decreased. Yes this is going to be hard on those at first transition but the future generations it wont be so rough on because they know what to expect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatiesMum View Post
    I do think that Newstart (and several other welfare payments) should be increased.

    Lets not kid ourselves, living on newstart (even if you get FTBA, FTBB and rent assistance) ... its not a life of luxury. The vast majority of people would not do this out of choice.

    I would like to see the breakdown of the total $ paid to Long term unemployed, shorter term unemployed, the amount of training etc ... I think people would be surprised at the actual % of those 'dole bludgers who dont want to work' as opposed to those who are on welfare for say 1-2 years before finding their feet.

    This opinion might not be that popular here - but I do think that several of the 'middle class welfare' type payments need to be reviewed as there are many, many people who receive welfare who do not actually need it to survive. Thats not to say its not helpful, just that its not necessary and with limited resources, I would rather the bigger portion of the welfare pool go to those who are living below the poverty line.

    For example in my own situation, when DD was born I was entitled to FTB part B, the baby bonus and some other assistance. Did I need that? No. Was it nice? sure ...

    (and yes, I did take the money. I take whatever tax deductions and entitlements the government tells me I can, and pay the tax the govt tells me I must. Having more money simply meant that I was able to donate more money to the charities and people I wanted to help rather than giving it to the govt for them to decide who to give it to).
    I agree. I think the baby bonus should be reduced or means tested because not everyone needs it. I will be very grateful to get PPL but if i had to, i could do without it and i'd much rather that money go towards a family that is on the poverty line and really need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    I agree. I think the baby bonus should be reduced or means tested because not everyone needs it. I will be very grateful to get PPL but if i had to, i could do without it and i'd much rather that money go towards a family that is on the poverty line and really need it.
    Baby bonus is means tested and reduced for subsequent children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovemyfam View Post
    Ok so here is what the changes are



    So what they are doing is moving people who have had 8 years to get that education, you can become a doctor in 8 years that's a long time.

    It was asked if I could live off this so I went to centrelinks site and did an online estimator for a general idea.

    Ok I am going to use myself as an example, lets pretend I am single because thats what they are saying in this article.

    So myself and 5 kids

    I would get fortnightly
    Newstart Allowance
    $533.00
    Family Tax Benefit Part A
    $950.32
    Family Tax Benefit Part B
    $144.34
    Rent Assistance
    $160.44
    Gross total estimate $1823.38 (fortnightly)

    Could I live of this? Yes I could

    Now lets say I have 1 8 year old
    I would get
    Newstart Allowance
    $533.00
    Family Tax Benefit Part A
    $169
    Family Tax Benefit Part B
    $100
    Rent Assistance
    $141.82
    Gross total estimate $945.16 (fortnightly)
    Could I live of this? Yes I could living and having things I want are two different things. This is suppose to be help not a livelihood. I may not be able to live where I want, or have fancy things but I could make it work
    Just a note on this that is getting max rates before looking at circumstances.
    If you have your child full time then that's what you will get but if the other parent has the child 5 nights or more a fortnight then you lose a percentage of family tax depending on how many nights. Also I'm fairly sure if you receive child support that effects your payments too depending on how much you get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Baby bonus is means tested and reduced for subsequent children.
    Yeah i know, but its capped at 150k isn't it? which is quite high. well to me seems high.

    Don't get me wrong, ill be very happy to get PPL and i feel that my partner and i pay a huge amount of income tax so it is nice to get some back. Just when times are tough and families especially are doing it really hard, i'd guess id rather some of that money get channeled down to where its needed most.

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    I am a single parent who lives (quite well) on my own income with no CS, no PPS etc.

    How ridiculous would it be for me to say "I can do it so everyone can". A bit like saying "I have a law degree and a full-time professional job, why doesn't every single parent?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    So it's ok for your husband to stay at home with your kids, not work and receive government assistance, but children of single parents shouldn't be allowed to have their parents at home?
    You like getting personal dont ya so here:

    Its ok for my husband to stay home and raise the kids yes, as far as assistance if your referring to the Baby bonus sure, its a bonus he was offered it he took it, I am sure that I will pay back the bonus in taxes in no time. Would it be ok for him to stay home if we had to take parenting payments etc to survive, no I don't think it would.

    Children of single parents have to go without some things, I know this as I was raised by a single mother, who worked, went to school full time and raised 3 kids with no support from father or government. We did get free medical insurance though. She left an abusive relationship and when they got a divorce she got a car that didn't work and 3 kids. He took everything else.

    Did I have to go without having a stay at home mom? Yes did I think its unfair? No it was just how it was. I am so very proud of my mom and everything she did for us kids.

    She went from being a stay at home mom with no job, no training, to a single mom who worked her butt off and got a Masters degree and a good job running the Health and Welfare Department for California.

    Sure I missed out on coming home to baked brownies and milk, I had to do my homework on my own until she got home, I had to help a bit more around the house than my friends it was just life with a single mom, I didn't dislike it nor was I envious of kids with a stay at home mom, mine couldn't be one and I knew she had to work would she rather have stayed home and played with us kids prob but she couldn't that was her reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shelle65 View Post
    I am a single parent who lives (quite well) on my own income with no CS, no PPS etc.

    How ridiculous would it be for me to say "I can do it so everyone can". A bit like saying "I have a law degree and a full-time professional job, why doesn't every single parent?"
    Spot on!

    Everyone's set of circumstances are different. What one person can do, another cannot. Why is that so hard for people to understand?

    Compassion, understanding and empathy people.

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