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    Quote Originally Posted by peanutmonkey View Post
    Unfortunately many people are not so thoughtful - I can't count the number of sick people who came around my son after he was born, and didnt tell me until after the fact. Still they think that there is nothing wrong with bringing their sick kids around my kids now... my youngest has a crappy immune system and a simple common cold sees him sick for weeks yet people still don't get it.

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    That really sucks

    But whether these kids are vaxxed or not wouldn't make a difference would it, for everyday colds, etc? And the more serious illnesses like WC are obvious (in babies at least) aren't they? Happy to be corrected on this as I'm not 100% sure.

    Adults without WC vaccine are more "dangerous" as they can just have a mild cough as a symptom. Yet most people are just scared of unvaxxed kids? I don't get it.

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    That's true but the problem is many things are contagious before people even know they are sick - that is why so many people are afraid of their babies being around non vaxxed children. And the bottom line is, adults generally (not always I know, but in general) have better hygiene than children, they don't get their saliva everywhere, they generally cover their mouths when they sneeze and cough and if they practice good hygiene they wash their hands afterwards.

    I've never put too much thought into it myself until my son caught rotavirus of a child at my older sons kindy. My child had been vaccinated (the child who passed it on had not) and my son was one of the unlucky ones to get a severe case despite being vaccinated, which landed him in hospital at 15 months old. I am going to be much more cautious who I allow around belly babe when he or she is born. Not just whose vaccinated but sick people will be turned away, I don't care who I upset.

    So it's definitely not just non vaxxed kids to worry about but it certainly can add an extra thing to worry about

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    Default Have you been in this position?

    I don't think it is about vax or no vax.
    I think a friend should be supportive of your strongly held beliefs, what ever they are, and not be nasty, petty, or vindictive.
    I think you deserve a better friend. I think you should tell her how you feel, but don't be too upset if it goes badly. One door closes another opens. All the best :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    That really sucks

    But whether these kids are vaxxed or not wouldn't make a difference would it, for everyday colds, etc? And the more serious illnesses like WC are obvious (in babies at least) aren't they? Happy to be corrected on this as I'm not 100% sure.

    Adults without WC vaccine are more "dangerous" as they can just have a mild cough as a symptom. Yet most people are just scared of unvaxxed kids? I don't get it.
    As I said earlier, I asked our families and close friends to make sure they were up to date with their vaccinations before dd was born (this was a non issue because they're not anti vax), it's not that I am scared of unvaxxed kids, I just choose to lessen the risk of passing on DEADLY illnesses to a newborn baby.

    You don't have to agree with my choice, I don't expect you to. I was asking for people that have been in this situation, how they handled it.

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    No need to put deadly in caps. I know what it means.

    I actually have been in this situation as one of my closest friends has chosen not to vaccinate her baby at all. We just don't see each other if either of ours kids is sick. End of story.

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    There was a need, because you brought common colds into it, which I was not at all talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redlipsandpearls View Post
    There was a need, because you brought common colds into it, which I was not at all talking about.
    I was responding to peanutmonkey and she was taking about common illness.

    And I would still know what the word deadly meant without it being in caps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    I was responding to peanutmonkey and she was taking about common illness.

    And I would still know what the word deadly meant without it being in caps.
    I didn't see her post, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harriet View Post
    I don't wish to be argumentative, but I think the idea that all unvaccinated children are reservoirs of disease, is running rife in this thread. Which is simply not true. With regard to whooping cough in particular, many vaccinated kids get it and pass it on. Part of our transmission problem is that people "think"
    that because their child is vaccinated they won't get WC or dismiss a cough as WC and continue to socialise their child. There will be plenty of people walking around in the community with whooping cough - vaccinated or not! I do believe that some states have even pulled their free funding of Pertussis vaccine to family members as the cocooning effect wasn't proving to be effective.

    What about just not being so extreme?

    Perhaps you could explain to your friend how anxious you are, and ask that she stay away if there's any hint of illness in her or her children. My friend had a baby earlier this year and she was very anxious about baby getting sick and especially worried about whooping cough. We stayed away for weeks and weeks because we thought one of my children had chicken pox. We stayed away when we had sniffles. We absolutely respected her wishes and did not feel hurt by them.

    Good luck with how you decide to handle this.
    No one has suggested unvaxxed kids are "reservoirs for disease" and I think we all know that no vax is 100% effective.
    However, an unvaccinated child is much more susceptible to whooping cough, therefore more likely to be a risk factor for transmission since it is currently so common. As a pp mentioned, kids usually have a lower standard of hygiene too, as opposed to an adult who may not be vaxxed.
    I have an 11 week old, I asked all my close friends and family to make sure they were up to date. Yes, there are people in the community with WC- but they aren't coming near my baby.
    These views are not extreme at all, they are extremely common!

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    I take your points, I guess it's because in my own circle of family and friends it would be considered extreme.


 

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