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    Default Re: Torture Porn?

    I have seen the first saw movie. I got part way through the second and had to walk away. The story line, however, is very thought provoking. it makes interesting points. But this movie turned me off watching any slightly scary movie for good. I can not watch anything that Congress close top getting my heart racing. They went way over board with the torture and the explicit blood and gore scenes.

    I don't think they should be banned but as pp said they need their own category. There are horrors, thrillers, why not a torture category with an 18+ or even 21+. I honestly can't understand how they can justify making 7? Saw movies? My understanding is that the story line became a lost plot with so many twists and turns you were at risk of losing your head.

    Jaws on the other hand, has terrified so many people and made so many people scared of going to the beach. There were scary scenes that got you on the edge of your seat. But the level of gore is nothing in comparison. You can't put that in the same category as saw.

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    Lovemyfam you aren't understanding my point at all.

    I am saying that just because you enjoy torture porn, you can't argue that's enough for it to exist. People use the justification of enjoying something for all sorts of things - infidelity, incest, violence against animals, etc.

    Is there any need for it? Is the world a better place in any way because torture pron exists? Do you think it's a healthy way for society to go?

    When you watch footage of people being tortured, are you able to relate to the pain that would be experienced by someone going through that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesperatelySeekingSleep View Post
    I have seen the first saw movie. I got part way through the second and had to walk away. The story line, however, is very thought provoking. it makes interesting points. But this movie turned me off watching any slightly scary movie for good. I can not watch anything that Congress close top getting my heart racing. They went way over board with the torture and the explicit blood and gore scenes.

    I don't think they should be banned but as pp said they need their own category. There are horrors, thrillers, why not a torture category with an 18+ or even 21+. I honestly can't understand how they can justify making 7? Saw movies? My understanding is that the story line became a lost plot with so many twists and turns you were at risk of losing your head.

    Jaws on the other hand, has terrified so many people and made so many people scared of going to the beach. There were scary scenes that got you on the edge of your seat. But the level of gore is nothing in comparison. You can't put that in the same category as saw.

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    I think they could have kept going with the movies, there is still so much to understand about jigsaw and his students and victims. Jaws has be terrified to go in the ocean I wont not even on a boat, Ill go in up to my knees but am constantly fearful so I usually dont since some species of sharks can and do come to shallow water.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chew the Mintie View Post
    Lovemyfam you aren't understanding my point at all.

    I am saying that just because you enjoy torture porn, you can't argue that's enough for it to exist. People use the justification of enjoying something for all sorts of things - infidelity, incest, violence against animals, etc.

    Is there any need for it? Is the world a better place in any way because torture pron exists? Do you think it's a healthy way for society to go?

    When you watch footage of people being tortured, are you able to relate to the pain that would be experienced by someone going through that?
    No they dont make the world a better place but then do any movies? So many things in this world dont make the world a better place no reason to not have them here. I couldnt imagine the pain the victims are going thru I could try but no way would I ever know what they are feeling unless it happened to me. I will say though that it did make me think when I watch them that I really should cherish the small things in my life, I have thought of what my trap would be why would jigsaw pluck me off the street its a very thought provoking movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovemyfam View Post
    So like I learned yesterday when I did the same thing one is illegal and one isn't so you cant use it as an example it doesn't work but maybe the rules are different depending who is posting
    So what just because one poster doesn't like the comparison it can't be made?? CTM is explaining what she means and it was what i meant - just because there is an audience for certain things doesn't automatically make it viable. You don't have to agree (clearly you don't) but don't keep saying the link cannot be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovemyfam View Post
    I think people that have issues with porn its not the two people having sex its much more than that, also there is a difference between real life and imaginary movies.
    Sorry, but what is left to the imagination when a naked teenager is cut into pieces in graphic detail onscreen?

    I may not like these movies, but I agree it's fascinating that people loathe porn but still like and admire graphic, violent movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chew the Mintie View Post
    Train wreck
    Is that a movie? I don't think I've seen it

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    Default Torture Porn?

    I don't like them personally but they shouldn't b banned. That's a slippery slope I don't support.

    They should b labeled R if they are very graphic so that at least in cinemas a younger audience isn't harmed. I realize u can't do much once they r on the net, foxtel etc.

    That said shows that are less graphic but very dark like Dexter ask you to cheer on a protagonist who is a serial killer. Psychological film/tv can be as or more impact full than ones with gratuitous gore as they tend to get the audience to think about things, question your own morality etc whereas slasher/gore movies sometimes can go over ppls heads and brush the whole thing off.

    Also what about a show like The Walking dead? As much gore as say a Saw film, but because its mostly violence directed at 'zombies' is that less psychological damaging or gratuitous? This screens on foxtel in prime time and is only MA

    For the record I love both dexter and the walking dead, but don't like saw etc. each to their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catrules View Post
    I don't like them personally but they shouldn't b banned. That's a slippery slope I don't support.

    They should b labeled R if they are very graphic so that at least in cinemas a younger audience isn't harmed. I realize u can't do much once they r on the net, foxtel etc.

    That said shows that are less graphic but very dark like Dexter ask you to cheer on a protagonist who is a serial killer. Psychological film/tv can be as or more impact full than ones with gratuitous gore as they tend to get the audience to think about things, question your own morality etc whereas slasher/gore movies sometimes can go over ppls heads and brush the whole thing off.

    Also what about a show like The Walking dead? As much gore as say a Saw film, but because its mostly violence directed at 'zombies' is that less psychological damaging or gratuitous? This screens on foxtel in prime time and is only MA

    For the record I love both dexter and the walking dead, but don't like saw etc. each to their own.
    I think the ratings over here are a lot more lax not sure what they are rated over here but in the US its rated R

    Very interesting points, never thought about those shows in the way you jsut brought up. Now you have me thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by catrules View Post

    That said shows that are less graphic but very dark like Dexter ask you to cheer on a protagonist who is a serial killer. Psychological film/tv can be as or more impact full than ones with gratuitous gore as they tend to get the audience to think about things, question your own morality etc whereas slasher/gore movies sometimes can go over ppls heads and brush the whole thing off.
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    Huge fan of Dexter and I agree. It can be slightly gory sometimes, mind you nowhere in the domain of Saw. But there are lots of messages they explore in Dexter. Is it ok to kill bad people? what role does spirituality have in our lives? do we protect those we love most by giving them the truth or a lie? Dexter has a great story line, there is depth to the characters.

    I guess what I'm saying is I would put Dexter into the horror/suspense category and like you don't see it like Saw.

    Walking Dead is quite gory - but you may be on to something that the gore is mainly on zombies, who are dead and feel no pain. Not torturing teens.

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    Default Re: Torture Porn?

    personally I think the writers, directors, producers etc have gone too far in the graphics department of a lot of movies. They make these things seem too real. I think we as a society have become too desensitised to horror. movies are getting scarier and scarier and getting more realistic and plausible. As the saw movie proved, you only need one sick and twisted person to draw people into their fantasy.

    The"blob"was a horror back in the day? Watch it now and you will crack up laughing. I'm worried the"saw" movies and those of the like will end up being "the blob" of future generations. there are sick and twisted people out there that do reenact scenes from movies.

    Good debate though.

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