Now is Jigsaw a bad guy or not? Good thing to think to about he never kills anyone, they die on their own by not fighting for their lives. These are not good everyday average joes like you and I they are usually people who do bad things. So it gets you thinking.
Creativity: The traps are very creative and I like to see what other traps they come up with next. See I was first drawn to the movie because the writers story is interesting 2 guys from Australia that had no budget so they wanted to make a cheap movie that could be done in 1 room. No one would pick them up and some discouraged them but they kept at it and finally a Hollywood company picked it up. I like that story. They did very well.
I like trying to figure things out, some of the movies are happening at the same time, you know Jigsaw is a part but who else is? Is the cop in 3 involved? Will Dr Gordon from the first movie make a return we never found out at the end of 1 where he went after saving himself. Will the father in the one let the people that were involved in letting go the guy who killed his son die or will he try to help them?
It really reflects on the human mind, what some will do for revenge or not, will these people make it and what happens to the survivors do they change? We do get to see what happens to Amanda. They do a really good job and explaining things but also leaving things for you to think about for a year until the next one comes out.
I am still yet to figure out if they had all this planned out or if they just make one movie at a time, there are actually different writers for a few different of the films.
I am sure there is more, I am about to watch a Saw marathon picked up all 7 and I will remind myself why I love these movies and get back to this thread.
"Borderline porn" is still not porn. If its not showing genitalia, explicit footage of actual intercourse and sexual acts, then it's not porn in the erotica sense of the word. It can be considered a strong sex scene but its just not explicit enough to be termed pornography. To say it is filmed in the same was is also incorrect as the actors are simulating a sex act, not performing real ones on film.
You are also ignoring the fact that pornography can hold more than one definition such as I posted earlier. You are focussing on the sexual definition but in the case of torture porn I believe it would be the other definition that is most appropriate, that it is something graphic, explicit and provocative.
I'm not sure I like how people are trying to demonize those who like to watch these films. The facts are its not real. The people watching these films know it and YES it does have a dramatic effect on how people react to them. People have been fascinated by death and murder since forever, its not something thats suddenly new.
Now if people were sitting around enjoying snuff movies then yes, yes you could judge them for it and think.. wow whats wrong here. But in a film where its NOT real, the person watching it knows its not real then you have no right to imply there is something wrong with them.
Human centipede is hardly worthy of a ban. It's a bit yucky in regards to the idea but hardly graphic.
But see that's just it. It might be beyond graphic and horrific to some... To others it a little bit icky but mostly lame. I don't want movies to be banned because some people are weaker stomached than others. I do agree that better classification is needed though so you know what it is before you watch it... But I've seen plenty of gross films. I find them more boring due to lack of story that so gruesome I am traumatised.
I also think its weird to compare fictional torture scenes to child porn. Fictional child rape happens in film... And while if its particularly graphic it's questioned I believe it's probably because the actors are still children and making children pretend at getting raped can be pretty screwy. Not so much because its portraying child rape. Brutal graphic rape features in many many movies.
I also think anyone who thinks I am some horrible creep because I can handle gruesome movies without issue doesn't know me at all.
I don't like torture for the point of torture... But in some films it contributes to a bigger storyline and the films point is better made with that graphic scene than without.
I don't think any one is really demonising these kind of movies. Not the way I have been reading things at least. I think what people are trying to do is say that the classification guides need an overhaul. How many times have people hired a movie based on the classification only to find it is way worse than the classification made out. There is horror then there horror. The movie"the birds" is classified as horror but I don't think movies such as "saw" should be on the shelf side by side with it. Someones the little blurb on the back does not give a good depiction of how graphic it might be. I also think the comparisons between torture horror and child porn were not intended as direct comparisons as such. I understand the point they were trying to make. Probably just a bad example. I think of someone likes a particular genre and another doesn't, that is ok. As long as the person who doesn't like it isn't forced to watch it.
Censorship is starting to go a bit far these days with some things but with movies becoming more CGI and things looking more real the classifications need to reflect that in a more recognisable way.
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When I was about 12 my mother rented a zombie film for my friend and I to watch at Halloween. It must have been an 18, and she didn't pay much attention as it didn't look too scary.
Long story short we very soon became bored and switched it off because there was no gore at all. The acting was dreadful, the make up just wasn't trying to be scary and they just kept having sex instead of killing each other. Becasue it was porn, not horror. Actual zombie porn. Worst movie ever.
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