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    The issue really is making sure people know you cannot use that product and swaddle your baby. It's not safe.

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    Pegasus, a number of experts commented in the paper after the baby died recently about how dangerous it is. The comment made by the expert was that it would be like us going on a show ride wearing a Doona and expecting the restraints to work. With respect, I would rather defer to expert advice and just because you don't understand why using a Houdini stop and swaddling doesn't make it safe.
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    (I meant to say just because you can't see why it isn't safe, doesn't make it safe. That's why rwe defer to experts)

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    On another note I actually think its really obvious why a baby that is swaddled and doesn't have the straps fitting securely to their body could easily slide out the seat belts, even if the Houdini stop didn't break.

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    I was just trying to wrap my head around it.

    I think it's good to open people's eyes to potential dangers.

    I would never have even thought about it till I saw your link on here.

    I have now done further reading and the danger seems to be the more stuff between the child and the seat belt, the more chance the seatbelt won't work as intended. (Like your doona statement). This is because the material will compress with impact meaning baby has more room to move in a dangerous situation.

    All of the pictures I saw, the wraps were of a fleecy variety. Now it's got me thinking, is a fleecy jacket more of a risk than a muslin wrap. Just raising it, as the fleecy jacket has more fabric than a muslin wrap.

    I certainly defer to experts, that's why I was asking what made it more dangerous. With your statement regarding wearing a doona on a carnival ride, it makes more sense (with me reading up more on this too.)

    I think questioning why is what makes us learn on any topic.

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    The points of control in a seatbelt are the shoulders and hips. Not the arms.

    As a therapist, when controlling posture, we control from the pelvic girdle, the pectoral girdle and the head.

    Therefore I don't think it's obvious that a child with a properly adjusted shoulder harness whether arms free or not is at greater risk.

    I'm certainly not advocating the practice, just questioning further. As I said, if the issue is bulk of material so that straps don't fit as well to the body, then we should ensure babies do not wear fleecy jackets in car seats and instead have blankets fitted around them.

    ETA: Just to clarify, this is regarding very young babies, not older ones, as it's only the younger ones (but past startle reflex age) where they will use their arms with any strength against the straps.

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    Pegasus, this issue recently made headlines as a swaddled baby who was involved in a car accident flew straight out of her carseat and tragically died.

    Every carseat manual, including those for your own children's seats I'm sure, says that babies must never be wrapped and then put in a carseat.

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    And yes, babies aren't supposed to wear fleecy jackets either.

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    Just read your posts... We must have posted at same time.

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    As I said, I'd never even considered the idea till I saw your link in this thread.

    I have now been educated, however, I think it's entirely possible that the baby who went through the windscreen the issue was the adjustment of the shoulder straps.

    Straps which are properly adjusted won't let baby go through the centre. It's why I used to get annoyed with my father if ever he put the children in his car for transport. He used to relax the straps while I wanted them firm across the shoulders and across the hips.

    PS looking for more info on the accident now, but can't find it yet.


 

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